Early seatbelt holster question Options

[Tom_T]

"The seat belt tongue holster was installed on all 914 and 914-6 models from model year 1970 to model year 1972 until 12/31/71. One per car on the driver's side with four 2.9x9.5 lens head screws to secure Factory part number is 91480314110 If you do not have one on your drivers side, your car is not correct!"

And how exactly could that be true?
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A large portion of those early cars do not have the mounting holes for said holster and on the ones that do have them, the holes look hand-drilled ...
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As I said Andy - confirmed with an old school 914 originality expert. The screw holes could be painted over or filled in in the 45+/- years since.

i.e.: Someone who was around back then, like myself, or George Rud, or my buddy with the bahia 71 - but more even more expert on originality than I & we are!

So poo-poo it if you must, at your own risk! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

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Tom
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[SirAndy]

As I said Andy - confirmed with an old school 914 originality expert. The screw holes could be painted over or filled in in the 45+/- years since.

i.e.: Someone who was around back then, like myself, or George Rud, or my buddy with the bahia 71 - but more even more expert on originality than I & we are!

So poo-poo it if you must, at your own risk! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

poo-poo?
Really? How old are we today? 12?


Again, explain to me how this can be when so many early cars do NOT have the holes in the long?

Neither my '70 /4 nor my '70 /6 have holes in the longs and neither of them show any signs of "repair".

And on every single car with holes i have ever seen, they clearly look like they were hand drilled.

And this time, please try to explain this discrepancy without the use of "someone who knew someone was told by someone else that someone somewhere once knew something".
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[pete000]

When I had my interior completely out of my early 1970 914-6 #131 I found no holes or evidence of there ever being a holder mounted in my car. The longs are untouched and never painted or repaired.

[PancakePorsche]

Just one more opinion here. I have two '70 cars one 4 and one 6 and they both have them on driver side. I use them.

[euro911]

It's been a while since I looked in the '71, but I think I saw a 'holster' in there. I'll double-check tomorrow ...

[McMark]

As I said Andy - confirmed with an old school 914 originality expert. The screw holes could be painted over or filled in in the 45+/- years since.

Believe the expert while ignoring irrefutable evidence. That's FAITH. Andy's point remains --- any believable explanation MUST include a reason for all the cars that did not have holes drilled in the long.

Here's a sting of logic for you (sorry, I'm all out of pocket experts):

- If these holsters were factory installed, then the designers of the 914 planned to use them.
- If these holsters were included as a part of the seat belt assembly used as the cars were built and must have been spec'd out when the cars were designed as part of the seat belt assembly.
- If Porsche planned to use these parts all along, why didn't the long stampings include mounting holes? They added holes for vin tags and body plaques in the stampings. Adding holes for the holster would have been included in the long stamping.
- Since there are cars that exist without holes in the longs, the holes were obviously not drilled/cut as part of the long. Therefore 914 designers didn't plan on using them.

Look, it's pretty well accepted that the antenna was a dealer installed option. There's a spec sheet for where to drill the hole. Yet nearly every 914 has an antenna... JUST LIKE THE SEAT BELT HOLSTER.

[gcrotvik]

Here's a though. The factory didn't install them in the first production cars as they had not seen an issue with the hand brake (this happens all the time, even with modern cars today, Porsche included). Shortly after the first production run they discovered the issue and resolved it by installing the holster. They (Porsche) then may have notified the dealers that the holster was added to the later production runs and could be added by the dealer if needed/wanted by the owners.

This would explain why some very early cars didn't have them, why some cars that do have the holster look to have the holes "punched" and why some later cars look as if the holes were added at the factory. Someone should ask Gary Emory. He did 356 warranty parts work and worked the parts counter at Chick Iverson in those days. He may know/remember.

[gms]

Here is a thought lets put a new top page and have 2 columns
cars with and cars without...Andy?
I think a picture might be in order if you can get one.
I try to be open minded about these things so lets see if the missing holster are an anomaly or a larger portion of the production.

[gms]

- If Porsche planned to use these parts all along, why didn't the long stampings include mounting holes? They added holes for vin tags and body plaques in the stampings. Adding holes for the holster would have been included in the long stamping.

Many parts installed with screws were drilled at the time of installation.
-The bright work on the windshield frame across from the wing windows
-Rear seal on the targa top.
-Headline bolster on the windshield frame
-Targa bar bolster
-visor clips
on and on

[Peashooter]

See what you started Garold? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

[gms]

914/4 with holster
4702907240
4712903834
4712906019
4712906481
4712906677
4712908542
4712910258

914/6 with holster
914.043.0630
914.043.0655
914.043.0661
914.043.0722
914.043.0945
914.043.1277
914.143.0229

need to check
4702900076
4702905709
914.043.0012
914.043.0795
914.043.1711
914.043.1834

[mepstein]

I think Garold's holster is now worth double. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[mskala]

I'm sure I stated in the old thread that my car 9140430242 does not have the holes
for these.

I think that maybe the holsters were a mid-year model introduction. My car also does
not have the center open console. I didn't know until last year at Hershey from talking to folks, that the factory didn't put those in until mid-year. I think also the charcoal can is a mid-year thing.

[Mike Fitton]

He is a picture of the location of the 4 holes on the driver's side:

[SirAndy]

NO holes for holster:

914.043.0374

470.29.12181


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[altitude411]

Just checked my six 9140432481... no holes

[McMark]

Andys six

[Tom_T]

Well Mark, if that is SirAndy's -6 supposedly without holes .... I see evidence of at least 2 or 3 of the holes & the outline of where the holster put pressure on the carpet against the paint.

You just undid his claim to no holes! -1! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Your pic of Andy's ---V


Pic of the holes from Mike Fitton's post above & at Racer Chris' linked other topic about this ---v


No so simple a question after 45+/- years, now, is it!!?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

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Tom
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[burton73]

This was my posting several years back. The holes where very clean and the screws where very small. I am almost positive that the first cars had them when they came from the factory, as my car was the 30th 6 down the line.

It would be too much work to remove the seat and do it. There must have been a jig at the factory as I remember my car has perfect clean holes.

Bob B


914-6 #41 has the 4 holes on the driver’s side only. These are very clean holes. I am sure that there was a drilling jig set up for them. Note: My car had carpet and the part was not there when I got my car, just the holes!


Bob Burton

[Jasfsmith]

Add to the list, my 914-6 914.013.1113 has a holster.