Early seatbelt holster question Options

[Tom_T]

Look folks - I really have no skin in this game - mine being out of the range as an early `73 2L!

I just passed along info from a fellow judge & restorer & 914 expert of some standing, who happened along this topic while visiting our site here, & emailed me with the correct p/n & info. on it's applicability date/MY range.

Greg at post #27 offers why earliest 914s didn't have it,

Glenn at post #29 adds that many 914 part mounting holes were drilled - not punched & to that I will add that my early 73 2L & many other early 1.7 & 2.0 cars had the badge holes for the displacement number drilled - while the 914 badge holes were stamped (displ. holes later on were also stamped up until the 76 decals),

Another member here or on the other linked topic stated that his were only screwed into the carpet - not the wall of the long, so maybe a few where when Hans or Bruno got lazy &/or had one too many at lunch & never bothered to drill holes,

I said that there are also 45+/- years of opportunities for paint/primer build-up, the holes being welded or bondo-ed shut, long material replaced, etc., etc.

Ultimately, I do not give a flying flock (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif) what the rest of you with 70-72 914s do or think! .... unless I happen to judge at an event where originality is judged, cuz now I know too! ... REALLY!

You're just shooting the messenger, when I passed along the info. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

For those who do care about originality or will show at Parade where it is judged - that judge has seen this topic, passed along the correct info thru me to give to the rest of you as an FYI - so expect to be gigged for it if he's judging your car there or at one of the major AACA, CCCA, etc. shows (like Amelia, Pebble, etc.).

If you plan on challenging the veracity of my judge-buddy's contention that they were correct & needed for originality at the PCA Parade, then you'd best get an official letter from PCNA or PAG to the contrary, because that's the only documentation which will refute or defend it at a PCA Parade Concours. So contact PCNA on it -- not argue with me!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

If you're just showing your 914s at local car shows - they won't know, & if you show at PCA's local Regions' & Zones' Concours - well we do NOT judge on originality, & would only gig if it were left loose, dirty, etc. in the prep areas where we do judge.

If it's just your DD - who cares, unless you like the idea of keeping the dang belt from slipping into the e-brake - I know the purpose, cuz my buddy the OO was told by the dealer why it was there, & he told me when I asked what the flock that was years ago!

In closing - do what you want, argue amongst yourselves, whatever all y'all want to do to continue to entertain yourselves. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

Over n out! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
Tom
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[SirAndy]

Well Mark, if that is SirAndy's -6 supposedly without holes .... I see evidence of at least 2 or 3 of the holes & the outline of where the holster put pressure on the carpet against the paint.

Wut?
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What you are looking at is bare metal after soda blasting.

Bare ... Metal ... with ... NO HOLES


If the holes were factory, they would be there. But they aren't.
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[Tom_T]

Well Mark, if that is SirAndy's -6 supposedly without holes .... I see evidence of at least 2 or 3 of the holes & the outline of where the holster put pressure on the carpet against the paint.

Wut?
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What you are looking at is bare metal after soda blasting.

Bare ... Metal ... with ... NO HOLES


If the holes were factory, they would be there. But they aren't.
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PS - if those circled are not holes, then are the dimples in the steel? NO - I never meant that anyone could drill the tiny holster screws thru 19 GA steel without at least pilot holes, but only that ther is some crud in the 2 places circled in red where the holster screws would be, & there appears to be 2 lines at the arrows possibly indicating pressure shadowing from whenre the holster was mounted. Of course I can't see it in person.

[Tom_T]

OK - I'm done & dunn wasting my time here .... take the info or ignore it, argue with yourselves, pound sand, whatever ... I really don't care!

I'm taking this thread off of notice so it stops clogging up my mailbox!

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Tom
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[Tom_T]

One more clarification for those reading here who really care about originality for their car - I would put more weight on those posting here holsters or not from the ORIGINAL OWNERS of the subject 914s - vs. 2nd, 3rd, etc. owners "looking for holes".

BTW - if you CWs don't think the judge in question isn't seeing this specious silliness going on here, here's another clarification which was just sent to me:

"Those screws were so tiny that many did not pierce the rockers but rather just went into the thick loop carpet on the cars. Only with the perlon could one ever see any penetration."

I offer this for the CW's who care, not the (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif) still looking for holes.

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Tom
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[SirAndy]

I'm done & dunn wasting my time here

Thank you ...
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[gereed75]

Hmmm. Call me #379 and confused. no charcoal canister and uncertain about holes (although I do own an uninstalled holster). Guess I'll have to look closer.

My car had some heavy black loop pile in it of unknown origin (original or not who knows) now long gone.

So what is the consensus on when charcoal canisters came in??

[euro911]

Come on boys and girls ... there's more important stuff to worry and argue about.

This is a January 1971 (-4) build. The original owner ordered it prior to vacationing in Germany, then shipped to California when they returned. I don't know if it was purchased directly from the factory or a dealership though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I'll find out more when I remove the holster to remove the carpet, but it appears this is one of those that was only screwed into the carpet as it isn't very secure (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

[McMark]

WTF! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Tom... I've seen the car in person. In fact I can walk 10 feet and look at it. The fact that you think you can see this car better than I can from 2000 miles away is astonishing.

Truly astonishing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Oh, and can't you're all-seeing-eyes detect that the car's been media blasted? It's bare metal right now.

[SirAndy]

I believe the part number is 914.803.141.10
I think it was so the seat belt did not interfere with the hand brake

The current PET lists 914.803.141.10 as "retaining bar" ...
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[fixer34]

914/4 with holster
4702907240
4712903834
4712906019
4712906481
4712906677
4712908542
4712910258

914/6 with holster
914.043.0630
914.043.0655
914.043.0661
914.043.0722
914.043.0945
914.043.1277
914.143.0229

need to check
4702900076
4702905709
914.043.0012
914.043.0795
914.043.1711
914.043.1834

Might as well jump in...

/6 0826 has holster on driver's side only. I've never looked at the mounting screws.

[euro911]

Deja Vu (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...4&hl=HOLDER

[Tom_T]

So poo-poo it if you must, at your own risk! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

poo-poo?
Really? How old are we today? 12?

FYI -

"verb. Poo poo is defined as to dismiss an idea or suggestion. An example of poo poo is when someone invites coworkers to a bar but another person says the idea is no good.
Poo-poo dictionary definition | poo-poo defined - YourDictionary
www.yourdictionary.com/poo-poo"

Very commonly used back in my day, & was/is a common USA colloquialism.

As for how old I was that day? .... 64!

PS - While I realize that this misunderstanding of the term by you may be an ESL or generational problem, it's best to look it up or google it before trying to insult somebody. ;-)

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Tom
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[GaroldShaffer]

See what you started Garold? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I was just asking a question. For the record I have spoke to a few other Porsche mechanics that were (some still are wrenches) back in the 1970 and they both said yes, the early 914 had the holster from the factory on the drivers side only. Now why some don't who really knows? I know my 70 didn't have one, but it had also changed hands 4-5 times before I owned it. I can't remember if the holes were there when I changed out the carpet and pictures I took at that time don't show the long without carpet.

[clapeza]

My '70 -4, 4702911888, mfg date 8/70 has holes on the driver's side. In fact, the screws are still in place! No holster, just screws.

Now that I know my car had one, I kinda want one...

Maybe some enterprising 914-centric manufacturer might start making reproductions!

[gms]

I am hijacking this thread to get people to shows us what you 1970-71 car has
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=309960

[flippa]

So poo-poo it if you must, at your own risk! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

poo-poo?
Really? How old are we today? 12?

FYI -

"verb. Poo poo is defined as to dismiss an idea or suggestion. An example of poo poo is when someone invites coworkers to a bar but another person says the idea is no good.
Poo-poo dictionary definition | poo-poo defined - YourDictionary

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And all this time I thought poo poo was the same as ca ca.


I learn so much lurking around in the garage. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


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[flippa]

See what you started Garold? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

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