 OT- Ford Triton woes, plugs blew out |
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| Rand |
 Dec 22 2014, 06:58 PM
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Cross Member  Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None  |
Britt Dodd, pick up the red phone. Hello, bd1308, we want to hear from you.
Long gone I'm sure. But hopefully will check in before Alpha434. |
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| r_towle |
Dec 22 2014, 07:02 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,573 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States 
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QUOTE(Rand @ Dec 22 2014, 07:56 PM)  Rich, what's that tool? I mean, plugs have threads. What does the tool do? I could see some sort of de-sticking penetration solution first, but... A special tool to unscrew a plug? Yeah, that's what the dealer is selling. He is a mechanic at an Indy shop and we happen to have lots of ford trucks around here. He tells me that you break off the top of the plug and stick this special tool inside the middle of the plug and pull it out. Not trying to get into a pissing match with you cause we all know that when you are right, you are right, and when you are wrong, you are still right...but we all love that about you. Apparently this is such a normal and no big deal kind of issue that your local snap on or mac tool guy carries this tool set on the truck... No ide. |
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| SirAndy |
Dec 22 2014, 07:16 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,618 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
Holy mother of 10 year old thread ...
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| messix |
Dec 22 2014, 07:47 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(Rand @ Dec 22 2014, 04:58 PM) . But hopefully will check in before Alpha434. I talk to Alphy on F/B all the time ! |
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| Rand |
Dec 22 2014, 07:50 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
Lol. Like I said, where's Britt when you need him?
No Rich, I was curious. Of course I'm right when I'm right. Wrong more often. No interest in a pissing match. Really? I bet I drink more water, so look out. |
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| Rand |
Dec 22 2014, 07:51 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
Really Troy? Get him to pitch in some advice here. Rich wants a pissing match.
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| messix |
Dec 22 2014, 07:54 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(Rand @ Dec 22 2014, 05:51 PM) Really Troy? Get him to pitch in some advice here. Rich wants a pissing match. naw, he's a good kid. he's settled into domestic life with a girl friend [NOT his sister lol] and has plenty of work. he is still doing fab and machining. |
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| Rand |
Dec 22 2014, 07:56 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(messix @ Dec 22 2014, 05:54 PM) QUOTE(Rand @ Dec 22 2014, 05:51 PM) Really Troy? Get him to pitch in some advice here. Rich wants a pissing match. naw, he's a good kid. he's settled into domestic life with a girl friend [NOT his sister lol] and has plenty of work. he is still doing fab and machining. I know. Good and wacky. I miss him here. Lol...sister...oy memories. |
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| messix |
Dec 22 2014, 07:59 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(r_towle @ Dec 22 2014, 05:02 PM) QUOTE(Rand @ Dec 22 2014, 07:56 PM) Rich, what's that tool? I mean, plugs have threads. What does the tool do? I could see some sort of de-sticking penetration solution first, but... A special tool to unscrew a plug? Yeah, that's what the dealer is selling. He is a mechanic at an Indy shop and we happen to have lots of ford trucks around here. He tells me that you break off the top of the plug and stick this special tool inside the middle of the plug and pull it out. Not trying to get into a pissing match with you cause we all know that when you are right, you are right, and when you are wrong, you are still right...but we all love that about you. Apparently this is such a normal and no big deal kind of issue that your local snap on or mac tool guy carries this tool set on the truck... No ide. all true here. our fleet mechanic had to buy this tool and had about 3-4 trucks to do a year for this. a coworker had a plug blow out 300 miles from home while towing his camper. had to leave to be repaired. cab had to be lifted because repair shop didn't have the ford tool at the time. I heard the v10 has the same problem. |
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| messix |
Dec 22 2014, 08:00 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(Rand @ Dec 22 2014, 05:56 PM) QUOTE(messix @ Dec 22 2014, 05:54 PM) QUOTE(Rand @ Dec 22 2014, 05:51 PM) Really Troy? Get him to pitch in some advice here. Rich wants a pissing match. naw, he's a good kid. he's settled into domestic life with a girl friend [NOT his sister lol] and has plenty of work. he is still doing fab and machining. I know. Good and wacky. I miss him here. Lol...sister...oy memories. lol |
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| rick 918-S |
Dec 22 2014, 08:35 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,442 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region 
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I just had to do the phasers! $ 1800.00.
http://www.f150forum.com/f4/final-repair-g...k-sound-141266/ And here's why the spark plugs break off. The lower section builds up with Carbon and causes the plug to shear off when you try to remove it. They make a tool to remove the long end.  Now my 4wd is acting up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) . |
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| Rand |
Dec 22 2014, 08:45 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
Outsch. Thanks for the post Rick, now we can see why it's not just a typical tough extraction. What a pain.
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| rick 918-S |
Dec 22 2014, 09:16 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,442 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region
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Ya, If the tool doesn't work you get to pull the head. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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| ThePaintedMan |
Dec 22 2014, 09:41 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,885 Joined: 6-September 11 From: St. Petersburg, FL Member No.: 13,527 Region Association: South East States
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QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Dec 22 2014, 09:35 PM) And here's why the spark plugs break off. The lower section builds up with Carbon and causes the plug to shear off when you try to remove it. They make a tool to remove the long end. Having worked on the modular Fords for quite some time before joining the World, I've seen this a bunch. Rick is definitely on point regarding the primary cause of the issue (which funny enough is why so many 914s have Time-Serted spark plug holes too). On the other hand, Ford has never addressed why some trucks/cars simply SPIT the plug out, even without them ever being changed. I think it's a combination of not enough thread depth, inferior castings, vehicle abuse in some cases and lack of maintenance. I've had a Mustang and now an older F-150 with the same motor. While the problem is more common with the 5.4s than the 4.6s, they are essentially the same thing. My solution is to ignore Ford's stupid 100K mile plug change interval and do them at 30-40K anyways. Use Motorcraft copper plugs and keep it tuned up well. If it's running rich and throws a CEL, you're only asking for more trouble with added carbon deposits. The rest is just luck I think. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Also - if you pull the head for service, do yourself a favor and pull the whole timing cover off as well. Change the timing chain tensioners and nylon guides. While the chain will last the life of the vehicle, the guides will definitely wear about before 200K miles. Depending on how often the oil is changed, the tensioners can cause problems too. Summit Racing makes a great kit for all of it for less than $250 if I remember. Also might as well do the valve stem seals for the $20 in parts while it's out - they go bad around 150K. |
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| 914werke |
Dec 22 2014, 10:07 PM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,041 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(Rand @ Dec 22 2014, 04:56 PM) Rich, what's that tool? I mean, plugs have threads. What does the tool do? I could see some sort of de-sticking penetration solution first, but... A special tool to unscrew a plug? Yeah, that's what the dealer is selling. George covered it but the tool is to extract the plugs after being broken off in the head~! Its a multi part deal first you push the porcelain remaining in the end stuck in the head DOWN further untill its stopped by the electrode. this provides enough space to uses a hardened threaded EZ-out type rod to cut into the top of the shell so it can be levered out. F'n joy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) The tool is made by Lyle, Ive already got it Im just pissed at this situation ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) |
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| messix |
Dec 22 2014, 10:26 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
shoulda bought gm (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif)
it's a deliberate tactic by ford to bill you thousands of dollars for a repair to designed flaw in the engine. wait for your intermittent wipers to fail and even when turned off runs the slow sweep. could be the multi switch [$300] or the it could be the wiper motor [$400] |
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| carr914 |
Dec 23 2014, 05:34 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 118,380 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
There are 2 different problems here.
#1. Early 5.4 Tritons with 2 Valve Heads can spit out a Plug - not enough Thread #2. 2003 - 3 Valve Heads that Plugs break when doing a change. It Carbon build up related |
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| ThePaintedMan |
Dec 23 2014, 07:17 AM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) two different problems that can be related in some cases. But the 4.6s have been known to do it as well, however the 5.4s are notorious for it.
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| 6freak |
Dec 23 2014, 07:25 AM
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QUOTE(guywan914 @ May 14 2005, 02:25 AM) Has anyone heard of problems with the triton v-8 blowing the plugs out of the heads? I have had two different trucks F-250, E-350 where with no warning the #2 on one and #3 on the other blew the plugs right out of the head . Ford is no help because the trucks have 56000 and 95000 miles on them. Tech at Ford garage said they developed a special repair for this {Helicoil or Threadsert} and that just sounded like there has been a lot more than just my two trucks. CUMMINS ... Problem solved |
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| EdwardBlume |
Dec 23 2014, 07:34 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California
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We are running a 5.4 triton in a 99 gold expedition. At about 165k. Just changing oil regularly. We got it for free about 4 years ago and have enjoyed it. It's a DNR car though. Little things break and leak and we just agree to run it into the ground.
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