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> Advice on a sleeve for inside the longitudinal
doug_b_928
post Jul 19 2017, 12:22 PM
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I'm repairing the passenger long. I've removed the rust and welded in two patches that comprise the bottom 2/3 of the long. To strengthen the long due to the welding I've made a sleeve out of 18 gauge cold rolled (same material as the patches) that is 36" long as pictured below.

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The problem is that the 90 degree bend in the sleeve has made it tough to bend to the exact shape of the long for a tight fit. I put clamps on it and then with a hammer and punch beat it at the back (as shown by all of the pock marks). I think if I start welding it at the front and then do the hammer and punch thing as I go along it will probably conform to the long. But, I'm not 100% sure and would hate to have it half welded in and realize that the last 1/3 will not fit tightly. I could also make an 18" relief cut along the bend, bend it to conform, and then weld the sleeve to that shape prior to welding it to the long.

I was going to run a bead on the black lines to make it more stiff, but figured that would make it even harder to make conform to the shape of the long when welding it in. So, I guess another advantage to the relief cut method might be that I could put a couple of beads in the sleeve (though perhaps that might also throw the fitment out of whack and put me back to square one with welding it in being more difficult).

So, my question is, which is the best way to proceed. Take a chance on being able to bend it as I weld, or make the relief cut to fit it prior to welding it in? And, if the latter, should I put a couple of beads on the sleeve?
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doug_b_928   Advice on a sleeve for inside the longitudinal   Jul 19 2017, 12:22 PM
McMark   I would toss that, fix the long with new panels fr...   Jul 19 2017, 02:41 PM
mb911   Why not drill and screw in several locations ti pu...   Jul 19 2017, 02:46 PM
doug_b_928   Thanks for the feedback. I'm pretty happy wit...   Jul 19 2017, 02:58 PM
doug_b_928   Addendum: just realized the bead comment.....in m...   Jul 19 2017, 03:00 PM
doug_b_928   @mb911: good idea but my sense is that the 90 deg...   Jul 19 2017, 03:03 PM
mgphoto   Just my opinion but I would make smaller reinforce...   Jul 19 2017, 03:56 PM
mzalanka   Just my opinion but I would make smaller reinforc...   Jul 19 2017, 05:01 PM
doug_b_928   @ mgphoto: If I can't make the single large p...   Jul 19 2017, 04:40 PM
rick 918-S   Extremely busy right now. Haven't been around ...   Jul 19 2017, 07:12 PM
Rand   I'd clean up the inside and seal it with a pro...   Jul 19 2017, 07:34 PM
doug_b_928   Thanks, Rick! Not having to worry about the r...   Jul 19 2017, 07:35 PM
Curbandgutter   You will get more strength if you just add materia...   Jul 19 2017, 08:10 PM
Curbandgutter   I'll do hand calculations and show you the sti...   Jul 19 2017, 08:22 PM
doug_b_928   Would that apply in this scenario where my concern...   Jul 19 2017, 08:25 PM
Curbandgutter   I think that what you have there is good to transf...   Jul 19 2017, 08:41 PM
Rand   You can't reinforce across the flanges while i...   Jul 19 2017, 08:47 PM
Curbandgutter   You can't reinforce across the flanges while ...   Jul 19 2017, 08:55 PM
amfab   I did/am doing the same thing. I am using 18ga. I ...   Jul 19 2017, 08:49 PM
Rand   I don't want to get into calculation games. Yo...   Jul 19 2017, 09:00 PM
Curbandgutter   I don't want to get into calculation games. Y...   Jul 19 2017, 09:05 PM
doug_b_928   It certainly is an interesting idea for stiffening...   Jul 19 2017, 09:02 PM
amfab   @ amfab: very nice work! I particularly li...   Jul 19 2017, 09:53 PM
amfab   double post   Jul 19 2017, 09:53 PM
Rand   :D Fair enough. All this aside, I am really enjoyi...   Jul 19 2017, 09:15 PM
Curbandgutter   :D Fair enough. All this aside, I am really enjoy...   Jul 21 2017, 03:36 PM
marksteinhilber   I'm repairing the passenger long. I've r...   Jul 19 2017, 10:39 PM
doug_b_928   A small relief cut on the horizontal plane seems t...   Jul 20 2017, 09:22 AM
amfab   A small relief cut on the horizontal plane seems ...   Jul 20 2017, 10:36 AM
Curbandgutter   (DISCLAIMER ALERT do this at your own risk. This ...   Jul 21 2017, 03:35 PM
bretth   Very interesting, wish i could follow all of the m...   Jul 21 2017, 03:49 PM
Curbandgutter   Very interesting, wish i could follow all of the ...   Jul 21 2017, 04:00 PM
doug_b_928   I think what Brett is saying is that the sleeve I ...   Jul 21 2017, 05:46 PM
Rand   One long piece like the Engman kit, that fits prec...   Jul 24 2017, 05:42 PM
rick 918-S   Ya, 1/8 is not the answer regardless of the math. ...   Jul 24 2017, 07:18 PM
amfab   Long reinforcement is a good Idea where from th...   Jul 24 2017, 07:50 PM
doug_b_928   Good advice, Rick. I spent all day yesterday weld...   Jul 24 2017, 08:22 PM
mbseto   Fortunately its summer in LA and with my welding ...   Jul 25 2017, 09:15 AM


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