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TonyAKAVW
post Apr 24 2007, 11:55 PM
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Tony - could you provide the overall width and height of that radiator? Also inlet/outlet sizes?


Overall length including the nipple (which looks to be an ideal spot for bleeding out air) is 30.75 inches. The height is just under 13 inches.

I will get a real test with this radiator setup at the Lone Pine Time trials. The temperature should be in the high 90s... For the NA motor I expect it to do okay.

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post Apr 30 2007, 11:05 AM
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Yesterday I took the first step in placing the radiator up front. Namely, cutting out a hole for the cold air inlet. I painted the front and inside lip of the trunk with Zero Rust partially to clean things up and partially for rust prevention.

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post Apr 30 2007, 11:07 AM
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post Apr 30 2007, 12:50 PM
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That's a huge inlet hole! How will the air exit?


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post Apr 30 2007, 01:02 PM
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I didn't get time to cut the outlet holes, but they will be on the wheel wells as is commonly done. That inlet hole is about the normal size for front radiator isntallations. I probably could have gone with less, but now I have less sheet metal weight (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Now I'm trying to figure out if I want to make an aluminum shroud or a fiberglass shroud.

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post Apr 30 2007, 02:38 PM
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I vote aluminum, all the good ones use aluminum as fiberglass is messy, it cracks, just overall not as good or strong. But that is just my opinion. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Apr 30 2007, 09:57 PM
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Add a brace from the latch to the floor.... .5x.125 angle works just fine. Just something to supprot the latch.

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post Apr 30 2007, 10:56 PM
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I noticed you are using a cable shift setup. Is it possible to use the stock shifter setup?

I'm interested in this conversion
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post Apr 30 2007, 11:04 PM
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Mine has a stock(ish) shifter. Had to re-make the engine bar setup so it wouldn't go through the cross exhaust pipe. Not a big deal, but takes some welding and a bit of thought.

On the NA motor, you might be able to use the factory bar if you use seperate exhaust like tony did.

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post Apr 30 2007, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE(Crazyhippy @ Apr 30 2007, 10:04 PM) *

Mine has a stock(ish) shifter. Had to re-make the engine bar setup so it wouldn't go through the cross exhaust pipe. Not a big deal, but takes some welding and a bit of thought.

On the NA motor, you might be able to use the factory bar if you use seperate exhaust like tony did.

BJH

What's the NA motor?I've been looking at the 1.8

What was the final cost of your instalall? How long did it take?

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post Apr 30 2007, 11:30 PM
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I did a break down of my costs HERE!!!

NA is Naturally Asperated or non-turbo in the sooby world. As far as time, i could do another one in 2 weeks pretty easy. This one took just under 6weeks. Mostly relaxing evenings.

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post Apr 30 2007, 11:52 PM
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thought the NA was part of the serial #.

HOw does yours shift? better, worse or the same.
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post May 1 2007, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE(toon1 @ Apr 30 2007, 10:52 PM) *

thought the NA was part of the serial #.

HOw does yours shift? better, worse or the same.


mine shifts like a 914... GREAT w/ new bushings, but if the bushings are worn, kinda like there is a coupler made of mashed potatoes somewhere in the linkage...

Tony's should shift much more consistantly, as there are really no bushings to wear, only the cables, and they last a LOT longer if taken reasonable care of.
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post May 1 2007, 12:06 AM
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I went to the link and checked the costs, not bad. for the setup I have planned it's possible for about 22-2400, that's very reasonable as compared to a TIV rebuild. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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post May 1 2007, 12:54 AM
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My conversion cost somewhere around $3000 to $4000. It took me a lot more time to do myh conversion for the following reasons:
1. Never did one before
2. Did a ton of custom wiring and electronics
3. Fabricated the engine mount, radiator frame, scoop, etc.
4. Did a complete makeover of the engine bay

In all, mine took me really about 6 months of serious work and about 6 months prior to that getting things done very slowly.

The cable shifter works well, though not as nicely as I want. There are still several things I need to do to improve it, but I think it will eventually give me a shifter that performs very nearly to that of a modern car. Getting the improvements I want will require machining a bunch of parts, and its not at the top of my priority list at the moment.

BJ: Thanks for the tip about the latch support. I was wondering about that...

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post May 1 2007, 09:22 AM
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Tony, i noticed you have the front of the car cutout for the radiator, is it installed yet? Are the mounts nd shrouds custom? where did you source the radiator?

You may have mentioned the radiator source earlier in the thread, I may have missed it.
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post May 1 2007, 10:50 AM
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I don't have the radiator moutned yet. I just cut the hole on Sunday, and probably won't get a chance to work on it until Friday. The mounts and shroud will be completely custom. Made with sheet aluminum and pop rivets.

The source of the radiator, price etc., are quoted on the previous page somewhere around the middle. You can find this radiator anywhere, its a pretty common one, and cheap too.

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post May 1 2007, 12:02 PM
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This is probably obvious to you, but in case it's not -

When you build your shroud, made sure that it COMPLETELY encloses and seals the radiator off, so all air coming in through your opening is forced through the radiator. And so no hot air that has already passed through the radiator can seep around the edges and get drawn in through the front again.

It makes a big difference.
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post May 1 2007, 03:55 PM
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you finally caved in - good form you : )

this is one of my favorite threads - have you ever had second thoughts about using 901 trans versus using subaru trans ???

jim - got me a 1972 with sbc v8 and a 1975 with 2.0 - no sub yet : )
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post May 1 2007, 04:24 PM
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I have thought about using a Subaru transmission actually. I really should start thinking about it more because my 901 is going to need a rebuild soon. I think the cost of rebuilding a 901 would be higher than using a Subaru trans. I never did find out what is going on with the special axle/CV adapters though.

6 speeds might be fun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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