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engine mods, power expectations |
johnnyslide |
Sep 21 2017, 11:26 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 21-September 17 From: Philly Member No.: 21,446 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I'm brand new to the forum as I have an opportunity to buy a 1976 914 2.0. The seller is vague on questions due to health problems. He's telling me he spent $7000 on engine mods. Claims it's 3.0 now and possibly 275-300 hp! Is this even possible? From the pics, which are terrible, it looks like 2bbl carbs and a blue circle shaped airbox in between. Not much to go on and he won't answer questions. Help!!
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Steve Snyder |
Sep 21 2017, 11:42 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 241 Joined: 10-June 08 From: Graham, NC Member No.: 9,158 Region Association: South East States |
A 3.0+ would be either a six or a Raby engine, each of which would cost multiples of $7K, and neither would make 300HP {my 3.4L Cayman S is rated at only 290 HP).
Move on to a more honest seller. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
rhodyguy |
Sep 21 2017, 11:48 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,060 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
How much is the seller asking for the 76'? I'd be leery of the hp claim. Health problems should not hinder him providing you with dyno results.
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burton73 |
Sep 21 2017, 12:19 PM
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burton73 Group: Members Posts: 3,498 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California |
Yo Philly,
You are a little vague with out pictures it is hard to help you out. The guys are right on the HP rating. Show us the pictures and welcome to 914world! Bob B (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) |
theer |
Sep 21 2017, 12:47 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 676 Joined: 31-July 15 From: Dover, MA Member No.: 19,014 Region Association: North East States |
is it this one?
https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/d/porsche/6270355604.html I was a bit doubtful to the HP claims, too. The blue circle thingy looks to be the cooling fan. |
Mark Henry |
Sep 21 2017, 01:13 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Blue circle is a /6 fan conversion on a type four.
160hp is about max for NA, maybe 180ish with 103mm pistons, stroker crank, hot cam, good header, etc but that's it. 9000rpm redline ...chuckle--snort (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) |
Mark Henry |
Sep 21 2017, 01:21 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
No title....walk away.
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JFG |
Sep 21 2017, 01:22 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 686 Joined: 7-April 16 From: Wales Member No.: 19,869 Region Association: None |
There looks like rust on the trunk. So zero rust is a porky pie. Go look at it. How does he know the engine puts out 300hp if it's not running. Sounds iffy but money talks and if everyone is put off by the claims versus images you might get a $2000 bargain
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porschetub |
Sep 21 2017, 03:29 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,697 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
Buy it for the motor and box,part the rest out you cannot go wrong.
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Porschef |
Sep 21 2017, 03:58 PM
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How you doin' Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 7-September 10 From: LawnGuyland Member No.: 12,152 Region Association: North East States |
I think Big Len looked at that thing... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)
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Rand |
Sep 21 2017, 04:08 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
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Morrie |
Sep 21 2017, 04:23 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 8-October 07 From: Cedar Park, Texas Member No.: 8,198 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Not to pile on, but how can someone claim "Zero Rust" and show a picture of the rear trunk with a big bleeding rust spot?
It may be a deal, hard to say, but a very close inspection with someone along who knows these cars is required before you do something crazy. Ask me how I know. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Attached thumbnail(s) |
Dave_Darling |
Sep 21 2017, 06:37 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,981 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
You know, it might be possible to build a 3-liter four-banger that makes somewhere near 275 HP. I really don't want to think about how much money it would cost, though. I'm pretty sure it would be way up in five figures, possibly six. And the lifespan would be measured in hours, and probably not many of those either.
9K RPM? Might, maybe, be possible for short periods of time. Very unlikely, though. And, again, stratospheric costs and about zero service life. Be a great quarter-mile engine, though. Rebuild it every week, hope nothing major happens or you get to throw it away and start over again. But I'm pretty sure that engine wouldn't look like this one (the fan alone sucks up at least 10% of his claimed HP at his claimed redline) and there is no way anyone would be selling it for $5K, even without a convenient 914-shaped shipping container... "Pull the other one, it's got bells on!" --DD |
76-914 |
Sep 21 2017, 07:28 PM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,490 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California |
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Coondog |
Sep 21 2017, 10:09 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,089 Joined: 24-September 15 From: Apple Valley Calif Member No.: 19,195 Region Association: Southern California |
All first time newbies should be required to read every post in the Lapuwali Classic Thread Forum first.
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bandjoey |
Sep 21 2017, 10:28 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,923 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Very rough interior. No pictures of underside or hell hole. No Fuch wheels. Not running. Electrics issues. $2500 roller in this case.
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JamesM |
Sep 22 2017, 12:56 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,888 Joined: 6-April 06 From: Kearns, UT Member No.: 5,834 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
Interesting cooling fan setup, possible someone modded the motor a bit. Personally I would be concerned with the lack of tin separating the hot air from the cold air though.
Let him take you on a test drive so he can be the one to demonstrate this 9k redline in action. Bring ear plugs and maybe a cell phone to get a ride home. On the off chance that it does make it to 9k RPM and doesent self destruct in the process, I would still be leary of build quality of the motor given the lack of build quality everywhere else on the car. I wouldn't pass on the opportunity to watch the seller potentially blow it up though I guess some of the type 1 guys spin 9000rpm so who knows, could be possible. I cant imagine it would live long though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M1F4DLP77k edit: just saw its non running.. yeah 2500 parts car. |
Front yard mechanic |
Sep 22 2017, 06:24 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,154 Joined: 23-July 15 From: New Mexico Member No.: 18,984 Region Association: None |
Cool looking car it must be fast it has stripes. Only thing to watch out for is the knee cap removal dash
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Cairo94507 |
Sep 22 2017, 06:43 AM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,714 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
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This is a tough room for sure. But if you read all of the posts you will learn an incredible amount. We are all pretty good a spotting issues and problems with these cars. The best you could do is is assume it is a core motor since it is nit running and needs to be rebuilt. Also crawl all over, under and in the car checking for rust and signs of someone having covered up rust. Make a cash offer assuming non-running motor that could be making 110 HP and a body that has rust and needs work. So, $2,500-ish as mentioned above. |
DM_2000 |
Sep 22 2017, 03:45 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 217 Joined: 16-August 17 From: PA Member No.: 21,351 Region Association: None |
I'd tell the seller to bring it to a dyno. All it needs is a can of fuel and a couple of wires for this test. If it makes advertised HP , RPM and survives another 20 miles at 40 MPH on the rollers ( with minimal or no load as not to overheat the dyno ) call "sold" for asking price + dyno fee.
If it does not make HP , RPM or blows up, the car is given to buyer, for free. |
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