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> Camshaft Confusion, Correct Part# to run original D-Jet
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post Nov 15 2017, 12:02 PM
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The cam from my '73 is worn and I have secured what I believe to be a NOS replacement part #021109111B that has been separated from its box (will arrive Monday). This is the identical part # to the one that was in my GA case and I purchased it listed as the correct part for my car along with the '76 912e.

However this is merely the part number for the Camshaft gear and there are no additional part #s on the Cam itself.

Questions as follows:

#1: The cam gear is riveted to the shaft as a one piece assembly, so is there anyway that this can be the incorrect replacement shaft?

#2 Cam Gear Part number 021109111C has a corresponding part #021109101K stamped on the cam itself. Some say that the difference is that the C designation is a stronger alloy versus magnesium for the part designation ending in B. Is that correct and would this be the correct cam as well for a GA case? If so, would you go alloy or magnesium? Both gears are marked -3 at the teeth.

#3 Worst case scenario, can the original be reground or would it be foolish to reuse.

#4 Are there any replacement Cams that are as good as or better than the NOS 44 year old OEM option?


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post Jun 10 2019, 07:06 PM
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Follow up - New Learning

So after having bought engine GA000099 it turns out that this engine is a stock 2.0L that has never been rebuilt before. I say this based on the fact that the engine tin, cheese head screw had never seen a screwdriver and because it had an intact D-jet system inclusive of many original ground connectors, spark plug connectors, etc. Stock Mahle 94mm shallow dish pistons, etc.

With the help of
@914_7T3 I was able to locate a NOS crankshaft.

Initially I was skeptical that this was the correct cam for a stock 2.0L since I couldn't verify the part numbers from any of my own take off parts from my vehicle's engine.

My recent purchase of Engine GA000099 is shedding some light on the situation.

The cam I bought is stamped with VW part 021.109.101K. One pink paint stripe. One 1/2 ring cast on the cam to the right of the center bearing surface.

Porsche part number on the box is 021.109.015K but there is no way to tell for sure if this is the proper box for the NOS cam I received since the box wasn't sealed. Boxes often get shuffled and/or simply used as safe place to store parts. If you think about it, it is pretty amazing that 40 odd years later we can still find any NOS parts!

I suspect my box wasn't original to the cam I purchased since the drive gear on my NOS cam is a "0" pitch offset which should be 021.109.021M according to PET. 021.109.015M is supposed to be a "-3" pitch offset but would be the same cam profile, just a different drive gear. Really doesn't matter since I only care what the camshaft actually is - not the box. However, it all adds up to another source for confusion. Given that there are other known errors in PET, I don't even fully trust that!

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PET indicates that suffix(s) of the latest part is "M". Despite much searching on the net, I could never find a firm tie between the VW part numbers, the Porsche PET part numbers, or any parts that end in suffix "K" vs. "M".

I found conflicting information all over the web. The most authoritative seemed to be:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/archive/i...t-348618--.html

In splitting the case of GA000099 you can see that the stock cam is marked with two pink stripes.

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along with VW part number 021.109.101k

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the cam has 1/2 band cast into it .

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Not sure why this cam has two pink stripes vs. my NOS cam with only one pink stripe but suspect that it may be due to the difference in the drive gear. My NOS drive gear is a "C" suffix with "0" pitch offset. The drive gear on the GA000099 is a "B" which indicates "-3" pitch offset. Different levels of variation in gear pitch diameter allowed for select fit of the cam to crank gear to minimize cam backlash as part of factory build.

So it does indeed seem to me that the NOS camshaft that I bought is indeed the correct cam for a GA motor. VW part number matches. Cast 1/2 ring matches, paint color matches. Good enough for me. I'm happier than a bird with a french fry! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

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Hopefully this helps someone else in the future.
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914 7T3   Camshaft Confusion   Nov 15 2017, 12:02 PM
914Sixer   Use the NOS cam you have and forget the rest.   Nov 15 2017, 12:09 PM
Mark Henry   Pretty sure the cam with green paint is a hydrauli...   Nov 16 2017, 12:58 PM
Mark Henry   Just checked, 2 rings, center of cam, 1 each side ...   Nov 16 2017, 01:06 PM
914 7T3   Just checked, 2 rings, center of cam, 1 each side...   Nov 16 2017, 05:20 PM
914Sixer   My bad, I did not know that the bands had anything...   Nov 16 2017, 03:30 PM
Mark Henry   One ring, bus FI 75- up, solid lifter, I don't...   Nov 16 2017, 06:06 PM
914 7T3   One ring, bus FI 75- up, I don't know how tha...   Nov 16 2017, 06:09 PM
Mark Henry   [quote name='Mark Henry' post='2549099' date='Nov...   Nov 16 2017, 06:18 PM
Mark Henry   021 xxx xxx is a VW bus prefix.   Nov 16 2017, 06:07 PM
914 7T3   021 xxx xxx is a VW bus prefix. 021 prefix is ...   Nov 16 2017, 06:23 PM
Mark Henry   I added the solid lifter to the info. Also is the ...   Nov 16 2017, 06:12 PM
914 7T3   Also is the ring a full ring or half ring? Ca...   Nov 16 2017, 06:25 PM
porschetub   Looks like your stock cam re-hardfaced and lifted ...   Nov 16 2017, 06:20 PM
Mark Henry   Cams are marked from +5 to -5, as tooling wore VW ...   Nov 16 2017, 07:03 PM
Dr Evil   From the Porsche PET catalog on line, here are the...   Nov 17 2017, 02:23 PM
914 7T3   From the Porsche PET catalog on line, here are th...   Nov 17 2017, 03:15 PM
Mark Henry   From the Porsche PET catalog on line, here are t...   Nov 17 2017, 04:44 PM
914 7T3   :agree: Thus the name of the thread “Camshaft ...   Nov 17 2017, 05:07 PM
Mark Henry   Oh and the trans case has VW and audi symbols on i...   Nov 17 2017, 05:14 PM
914Sixer   Elgin did my camshaft for my 2056. Using 330-1 imp...   Nov 17 2017, 05:50 PM
914 7T3   Elgin did my camshaft for my 2056. Using 330-1 im...   Nov 17 2017, 08:07 PM
914Sixer   That is Elgin's number for the cam grind. I s...   Nov 18 2017, 07:39 AM
Edward Blume   That is Elgin's number for the cam grind. I ...   Nov 19 2017, 08:32 AM
914Sixer   I talked Dema and he said it should be a good matc...   Nov 19 2017, 09:07 AM
914 7T3   Mark/Edward, That is encouraging, I have located ...   Nov 20 2017, 11:12 AM
Superhawk996   Follow up - New Learning So after having bought ...   Jun 10 2019, 07:06 PM


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