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> Major problems timing my engine, Please Advise!!
yarin
post May 26 2005, 06:32 PM
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Here is a little history:

'72 914
69-70 bus block according to what people said on here based on the serial #
1.8L heads, spark plugs straight up
Not sure what displacement is, maybe 1.8, maybe 2.0
Weber 40s. centrifigual advance

The car was running OK, not great, but acceptable up until an autox last weekend. AFter that it would backfire like crazy. SOOO i changed the following: plus, wires, rotor, cap, points

I set the points to 50 degrees with a dwell meter

I do believe i see these timing marks:
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Let me number the questions:

1) Do I have vacuum retard? There are no vacuum lines anywhere. How does this affect my method of timing?

2) is there a way to check centrifugal advance? If i push on the plate in the distributor it moved about .5cm.

3) Do I time this engine at 850rpm or 3000rpm to the 27 degree mark?

4) I have a timing light with advance. Do i set the light to zero and adjust timing to the 27 degree mark? Or do I set the light to 27 degrees and time to TDC? My TDC looks looks a little different than my 27 degree mark.

I tried everything! 0 deg(with light at 27 advance), 27 deg(with light at zero adv, and 27 deg with light at 27... def not it), 34 deg(with light at zero), somewhere in the middle.

My results: severe backfiring at 34 degrees. No power at all at any other combination, just not smooth. I know that either the carbs or valves might be off. But i'd like to get it timed first.

Comments, suggestions?

Someone please help!

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post May 26 2005, 06:38 PM
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isn't total advance the one to worry about? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif)
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post May 26 2005, 07:19 PM
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If there are no vacuum lines to the distributor, you have no vacuum advance or retard.

At idle, the timing should be between 5-10d BTDC. At 3500rpm, it should be at 28-30d BTDC.

Set the timing light to 28d, and rev the engine to 3500rpm or above. Adjust the timing light advance knob until you see the TDC notch line up. Totally ignore all of the other marks on the fan. The advance you get at the knob when the TDC notch lines up is the advance you have at that RPM. This is, admittedly, hard to do on a 914 given the position of everything, but fiddling with it all with get it there.

To check idle timing, set the knob at 10d and repeat the above.

If your advance isn't roughly 10d BTDC at idle and 28d at 3500rpm, then you need to adjust the timing. Adjust it so the 3500rpm number is right. The idle timing may be off, depending on which distributor you have, but that's less of a problem, since the engine spends most of its time above 3000rpm, anyway.
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