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Flywheel minimum thickness? |
Cazz |
Dec 6 2017, 03:03 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 22-December 16 From: NC Member No.: 20,688 Region Association: None |
My flywheel is grooved and needs to be machined.
-Does anyone know the minimum thickness of the flywheel surface where the clutch disc mates? -the thickness I get using my cheap calipers is 4mm thickness on the face. -what is the minimum thickness after a machine shop cuts the face? |
JeffBowlsby |
Dec 6 2017, 03:17 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,439 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
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Mark Henry |
Dec 6 2017, 08:59 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
I used to post that pic, then found out that brand new German flywheels were out of spec (dimension C) according to it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
If I had 4mm, about .160" I'd tell the shop to remove just enough for clean up, Then you may likely have to grind the raised part of flywheel bolt heads off flat. Depending how much you had to take off the flywheel face you may have to put a shim under the release bearing arm pivot bolt on the trans. (note the 4mm you measured is likely dimension C but I'm guessing you are measuring in the wrong place compared to the chart.) |
Dave_Darling |
Dec 7 2017, 03:06 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,974 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
The image is actually specifically for the 914-6. There are no official specs for the 914-4 flywheels that I know of.
The specs should be OK as a general guide, but they are not actually for the four-cylinder flywheels... --DD |
Mark Henry |
Dec 7 2017, 03:23 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
The image is actually specifically for the 914-6. There are no official specs for the 914-4 flywheels that I know of. The specs should be OK as a general guide, but they are not actually for the four-cylinder flywheels... --DD (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) and that's not actually a Porsche drawing, it's out of an aftermarket workshop manual, the Drake book IIRC, I have it here somewhere. |
porschetub |
Dec 7 2017, 04:19 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,695 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
The image is actually specifically for the 914-6. There are no official specs for the 914-4 flywheels that I know of. The specs should be OK as a general guide, but they are not actually for the four-cylinder flywheels... --DD (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) good spotting Dave,thats the drawing I used to check my flywheel,confirmed it was in spec but had been cut maybe once,pulled my gearbox and added a 1mm + spacer under the pivot ball,much improved and the release arm now has clearance on the gearbox housing. The flywheel bolts on the "6" motors aren't an issue...tends to limit resurfacing on a T4 however. |
Dave_Darling |
Dec 7 2017, 06:45 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,974 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
The pic looks like the one from the Little Spec Book. I looked through that thing six different ways to try to find definite 914-4 flywheel specs! Then through the factory manuals. No joy--that's how I knew that wasn't a -4 flywheel diagram explicitly.
Had a debate with Jerry Woods about it once, too. When I picked up my work from him, he conceded that I was right. --DD |
Mark Henry |
Dec 7 2017, 08:21 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Just speculation, but I think the reason there was no spec with the original /4 is because it had the 4 spring clutch disc, likely the dealer would say it's a one use only and replace the flywheel. With the original 4 spring disc you were lucky if you could cut it once, even grinding down the bolts, as it would hit the big ass disc springs.
If I'm correct on this it would explain why we can't find a spec anywhere for the /4 flywheel. I know the fitment issue is fact as I had an NOS 4 spring back in the day, IIRC I had to use an uncut fly to use the thing. Also my 914 was a low mile dealer maintained car and had the bill for a clutch job at 56K, it said the flywheel was replaced. Late 80's bill, tune-up, oil, RMS and clutch was something like $1300. The /6 six (small) spring disc has way more clearance and with grinding the bolts has 3-4 surface grinds before it becomes an issue. |
rjames |
Dec 8 2017, 05:31 PM
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I'm made of metal Group: Members Posts: 3,876 Joined: 24-July 05 From: Shoreline, WA Member No.: 4,467 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
The image is actually specifically for the 914-6. There are no official specs for the 914-4 flywheels that I know of. The specs should be OK as a general guide, but they are not actually for the four-cylinder flywheels... --DD (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I did a ton of research trying to track down the specks to see if I needed a new flywheel when I changed out the clutch, and couldn't find anything but the pic you posted, but am confident that it's wrong. I finally just bought a new flywheel (from Pelican, IIRC), and although I can't remember what the specks of the new one were, I know they didn't match what's shown in the diagram. |
ctc911ctc |
Jul 30 2020, 07:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 885 Joined: 9-June 18 From: boston Member No.: 22,206 Region Association: North East States |
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'74, 2.0 22K miles All, 1st and 2nd sync rings were bugging me so I removed the tranny. While waiting for the gear parts (dogteeth, etc.) i took a look at the clutch. Though it was good I thought I would replace it since it was 40+ years old. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) I have a new clutch, pressure plate, and throw-out bearing. I think the Flywheel is in great shape. No burn marks or grooves - just minimum wear. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) I watched the installation video on youtube and was a bit through by crankshaft play. Do I need to recalibrate the shims for this rebuild if I DO NOT replace the flywheel? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Thank you Teeners CTC911CTC |
Mark Henry |
Aug 2 2020, 08:31 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_bump.gif) '74, 2.0 22K miles All, 1st and 2nd sync rings were bugging me so I removed the tranny. While waiting for the gear parts (dogteeth, etc.) i took a look at the clutch. Though it was good I thought I would replace it since it was 40+ years old. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) I have a new clutch, pressure plate, and throw-out bearing. I think the Flywheel is in great shape. No burn marks or grooves - just minimum wear. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) I watched the installation video on youtube and was a bit through by crankshaft play. Do I need to recalibrate the shims for this rebuild if I DO NOT replace the flywheel? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Thank you Teeners CTC911CTC It's still good practice to measure your end play just too be sure, but if all is well you shouldn't need to change the shims on such a low mile engine. In your case if the RMS isn't leaking I'd do a quick end play check without removing the flywheel and call it good. But caveat emptor, many times when I've skipped a repair it has come back to bite me on the ass. I'd say it's a 50/50 chance. |
sixnotfour |
Aug 2 2020, 09:56 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,392 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
C for type 4 is 9mm..may have to grind the head of bolts if cut to much..
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