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Engine Options, Build 2.3 or pursue other options |
Mblizzard |
Dec 21 2017, 05:00 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,033 Joined: 28-January 13 From: Knoxville Tn Member No.: 15,438 Region Association: South East States |
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Robnxious |
Dec 21 2017, 05:43 PM
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RobnxiousOne Group: Members Posts: 184 Joined: 26-October 06 From: Sacramento Member No.: 7,097 Region Association: Northern California |
I have a full marching numbers 1956 356A. I think it likely that in 20 years time when my 914 is of the age my 356 is now, matching numbers might be important. But I wanted more get up and go now. So I removed the 1.8 engine and that will now never break a rod etc while tucked under my workshop bench. And I installed a 140 HP air cooled chev Corvair reverse rotation engine. It fits with no body modifications what so ever. Front engine mount does not involve welding on firewall. So it is all 100% reversible back to stock - one day. The acceleration is on par with my 3.2 L Carrera. And engines and parts are cheap too - unlike a Porsche 6. Worth thinking about maybe?? DaveO The quote "never break a rod while tucked under my work bench" is precisely why I got a new case and had the 2.3 built from the case up and am keeping the other engine. I could just see going big w/ adding onto the engine, and "BAM" there goes my numbers matching engine |
Mblizzard |
Dec 21 2017, 05:54 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,033 Joined: 28-January 13 From: Knoxville Tn Member No.: 15,438 Region Association: South East States |
I have a full marching numbers 1956 356A. I think it likely that in 20 years time when my 914 is of the age my 356 is now, matching numbers might be important. But I wanted more get up and go now. So I removed the 1.8 engine and that will now never break a rod etc while tucked under my workshop bench. And I installed a 140 HP air cooled chev Corvair reverse rotation engine. It fits with no body modifications what so ever. Front engine mount does not involve welding on firewall. So it is all 100% reversible back to stock - one day. The acceleration is on par with my 3.2 L Carrera. And engines and parts are cheap too - unlike a Porsche 6. Worth thinking about maybe?? DaveO Neat idea but not sure how available are thes engines? Not likely to find a rebuilt engine of this type ready to go. |
DaveO90s4 |
Dec 21 2017, 06:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 149 Joined: 26-April 16 From: Australia Member No.: 19,935 Region Association: None |
If you're in the US these Corvair engines are plentiful. Pity I'm in Australia!
I bought my engine for US $4,000, used, complete with nice inlet manifolds and nice carbs. Proven chev pushed technology, no cam chains and tensioners to bother with, hydraulic lifters, no magnesium case and stud problems. With Kennedy adaptor mates to 914 gearbox. I think this is an option worthy of serious investigation for anyone wanting more power cheaply. |
Mark Henry |
Dec 21 2017, 07:55 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
What is the plan for cylinders? Right now I am looking at keeping my 96mm. But I am struggling in not totally sink my budget and go with some LN Nickies 103 mm. I don't really need massive HP numbers I want usable torque. Lots of it! Nickies would blow your budget and IMO a waste of time if not doing a stroker, I don't even know if you can get them with the T4 24mm rod pin. I'd do a stroker with iron cylinder 96's before I'd consider a stock stroke 103 engine. |
Mblizzard |
Dec 21 2017, 08:05 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,033 Joined: 28-January 13 From: Knoxville Tn Member No.: 15,438 Region Association: South East States |
What is the plan for cylinders? Right now I am looking at keeping my 96mm. But I am struggling in not totally sink my budget and go with some LN Nickies 103 mm. I don't really need massive HP numbers I want usable torque. Lots of it! Nickies would blow your budget and IMO a waste of time if not doing a stroker, I don't even know if you can get them with the T4 24mm rod pin. I'd do a stroker with iron cylinder 96's before I'd consider a stock stroke 103 engine. Yes you are right. Hope to go to a 78mm crank. Likely the iron is fine but the cool factor is immense. I know it has been done but I would like to get some good performance on a budget. It seems that budget and performance don’t go together but I am looking. |
BeatNavy |
Dec 21 2017, 08:11 PM
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Certified Professional Scapegoat Group: Members Posts: 2,924 Joined: 26-February 14 From: Easton, MD Member No.: 17,042 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
If you're in the US these Corvair engines are plentiful. Pity I'm in Australia! I bought my engine for US $4,000, used, complete with nice inlet manifolds and nice carbs. Proven chev pushed technology, no cam chains and tensioners to bother with, hydraulic lifters, no magnesium case and stud problems. With Kennedy adaptor mates to 914 gearbox. I think this is an option worthy of serious investigation for anyone wanting more power cheaply. There's at least one other person here currently doing a Corvair conversion (R3DPlanet, or something, I think?). Not sure how far he's gotten, but he's got a build thread on it here somewhere. Nickies would blow your budget and IMO a waste of time if not doing a stroker, Slightly off topic, but has everyone else noticed that the Type 4 Store is ONLY selling Nickies now as part of their engine kits? |
Mark Henry |
Dec 21 2017, 08:12 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
I've built a bunch of nickies engines, /4, /6 and 996... I can tell you to do it right it's not cheap.
I'm an LN dealer, my '67 bug is a T4 conversion with a 78 x 102mm engine. Slightly off topic, but has everyone else noticed that the Type 4 Store is ONLY selling Nickies now as part of their engine kits? Likely they want you to use the correct parts and combo. I can get them without the kit. |
Montreal914 |
Dec 21 2017, 08:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,541 Joined: 8-August 10 From: Claremont, CA Member No.: 12,023 Region Association: Southern California |
As Mark mentioned, if you stay in the budget range and use the KB pistons, you will want to use different ones than the ones on your 2056. KB has the ones with higher pin location for stroker application.
Mark, when you mentioned Web 163/86a, did you mean 163/86b? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Sound like a very cool project, like your MS upgrade, I will definitely follow. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
Mblizzard |
Dec 21 2017, 08:40 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,033 Joined: 28-January 13 From: Knoxville Tn Member No.: 15,438 Region Association: South East States |
I've built a bunch of nickies engines, /4, /6 and 996... I can tell you to do it right it's not cheap. I'm an LN dealer, my '67 bug is a T4 conversion with a 78 x 102mm engine. Slightly off topic, but has everyone else noticed that the Type 4 Store is ONLY selling Nickies now as part of their engine kits? Likely they want you to use the correct parts and combo. I can get them without the kit. This is the problem us amateurs face. The engineer in me knows that the quality and long life of the Nickies are without question. But my car is not a daily driver. I put less than 1500 miles on it last year. While i am working my options i want to kick some but for $4K. Saw a Boxster listed for $8k. Could do that swap and seel parts and have something epic and money left over. But I want to have people look at my 4 as they struggle to keep up and say that rocks. While I could spend much more, I want to do more with less. Optimistic? Yes but still a real goal. |
Mblizzard |
Jan 11 2018, 01:18 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,033 Joined: 28-January 13 From: Knoxville Tn Member No.: 15,438 Region Association: South East States |
OK so after much work and with the help of a number of vendors I found a good already complete 2056 engine that was in my price range.
A few things I learned. First in this range of about $4K to $5K, it is hard to beat what McMark at Original Customs can do. I also checked with a lot of others and and got some interesting info. I don't recall all of the details on exchanges of cores and such but certainly there are some options in this range. Cant say if any of them are right or wrong but it is just the information I found. SCAT 2366 cc long block using your 914 heads $4,800.00 - outright 2600 cc long block using your 914 heads $ 6,400.00 2056 cc long block using your 914 heads will cost you $ 2,995.00 Head Flow Masters Stroker Type 4 $4K W/ New Heads And Web. Series Cam (I am assuming this would be a bus engine) Mofoco Type 4 Longblock (2000cc) $3.5K (Bus Engine) Summit Racing Long Block Engine 2056cc Long-Block (71mm Stroke x 96mm Bore) $3.5K Long Block Engine 2366cc Long-Block (71mm Stroke x 103mm Bore) $5K Long Block Engine 2600cc Long-Block (78mm Stroke x 103mm Bore) $6.4K As a last note, I worked with the Type 4 Store and they are coming up with a list of parts that they could provide for a build that would fall under this range. I would have preferred to go with the LN parts but I just don't have the time to complete a build in my garage. When I get the final numbers I will post them. I still have the running 2056 I removed, it is a possibility that I may go the LN path for that build as I will not be under any time limits. |
mb911 |
Jan 11 2018, 06:17 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 6,812 Joined: 2-January 09 From: Burlington wi Member No.: 9,892 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
OK so after much work and with the help of a number of vendors I found a good already complete 2056 engine that was in my price range. A few things I learned. First in this range of about $4K to $5K, it is hard to beat what McMark at Original Customs can do. I also checked with a lot of others and and got some interesting info. I don't recall all of the details on exchanges of cores and such but certainly there are some options in this range. Cant say if any of them are right or wrong but it is just the information I found. SCAT 2366 cc long block using your 914 heads $4,800.00 - outright 2600 cc long block using your 914 heads $ 6,400.00 2056 cc long block using your 914 heads will cost you $ 2,995.00 Head Flow Masters Stroker Type 4 $4K W/ New Heads And Web. Series Cam (I am assuming this would be a bus engine) Mofoco Type 4 Longblock (2000cc) $3.5K (Bus Engine) Summit Racing Long Block Engine 2056cc Long-Block (71mm Stroke x 96mm Bore) $3.5K Long Block Engine 2366cc Long-Block (71mm Stroke x 103mm Bore) $5K Long Block Engine 2600cc Long-Block (78mm Stroke x 103mm Bore) $6.4K As a last note, I worked with the Type 4 Store and they are coming up with a list of parts that they could provide for a build that would fall under this range. I would have preferred to go with the LN parts but I just don't have the time to complete a build in my garage. When I get the final numbers I will post them. I still have the running 2056 I removed, it is a possibility that I may go the LN path for that build as I will not be under any time limits. Mofoco is a bad idea.. Lots of experience with them and the owner. Lots of fishy stuff going on there. |
matthepcat |
Jan 12 2018, 04:07 PM
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Meat Popsicle Group: Members Posts: 1,462 Joined: 13-December 09 From: Saratoga CA Member No.: 11,125 Region Association: Northern California |
The 2.6 liter turbo motor from this car is available for purchase out of the PNW.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=257971&hl= I have the current owners contact info (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
Mblizzard |
Jan 12 2018, 04:41 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,033 Joined: 28-January 13 From: Knoxville Tn Member No.: 15,438 Region Association: South East States |
The 2.6 liter turbo motor from this car is available for purchase out of the PNW. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=257971&hl= I have the current owners contact info (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Likely well beyond my budget! But AWESOME! |
Mblizzard |
Jan 16 2018, 06:25 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,033 Joined: 28-January 13 From: Knoxville Tn Member No.: 15,438 Region Association: South East States |
Something evil is coming!
Crap I have a lot of work to do! |
JamesM |
Jan 16 2018, 06:57 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,888 Joined: 6-April 06 From: Kearns, UT Member No.: 5,834 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
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Mueller |
Jan 16 2018, 07:05 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
Fan is in the wrong location, should be on top and belt driven (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Mblizzard |
Jan 16 2018, 07:21 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,033 Joined: 28-January 13 From: Knoxville Tn Member No.: 15,438 Region Association: South East States |
Something evil is coming! Crap I have a lot of work to do! What is difference about this one? Thought you already had a 2056? Might be a little more than a 2056. This morning one has the 78mm crank, a good cam, ported big valve heads, balanced, and a few other nice goodies. Don’t know that there is that much more HP but I am hoping for better torque and power band. |
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