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Mblizzard
post Dec 21 2017, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Dec 21 2017, 02:01 PM) *

What is the plan for cylinders?


Right now I am looking at keeping my 96mm. But I am struggling in not totally sink my budget and go with some LN Nickies 103 mm. I don't really need massive HP numbers I want usable torque. Lots of it!
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post Dec 21 2017, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(DaveO90s4 @ Dec 21 2017, 12:54 PM) *

I have a full marching numbers 1956 356A. I think it likely that in 20 years time when my 914 is of the age my 356 is now, matching numbers might be important.

But I wanted more get up and go now.

So I removed the 1.8 engine and that will now never break a rod etc while tucked under my workshop bench.

And I installed a 140 HP air cooled chev Corvair reverse rotation engine. It fits with no body modifications what so ever. Front engine mount does not involve welding on firewall. So it is all 100% reversible back to stock - one day.

The acceleration is on par with my 3.2 L Carrera.

And engines and parts are cheap too - unlike a Porsche 6.

Worth thinking about maybe??

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The quote "never break a rod while tucked under my work bench" is precisely why I got a new case and had the 2.3 built from the case up and am keeping the other engine. I could just see going big w/ adding onto the engine, and "BAM" there goes my numbers matching engine
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post Dec 21 2017, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE(DaveO90s4 @ Dec 21 2017, 12:54 PM) *

I have a full marching numbers 1956 356A. I think it likely that in 20 years time when my 914 is of the age my 356 is now, matching numbers might be important.

But I wanted more get up and go now.

So I removed the 1.8 engine and that will now never break a rod etc while tucked under my workshop bench.

And I installed a 140 HP air cooled chev Corvair reverse rotation engine. It fits with no body modifications what so ever. Front engine mount does not involve welding on firewall. So it is all 100% reversible back to stock - one day.

The acceleration is on par with my 3.2 L Carrera.

And engines and parts are cheap too - unlike a Porsche 6.

Worth thinking about maybe??

DaveO


Neat idea but not sure how available are thes engines? Not likely to find a rebuilt engine of this type ready to go.
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post Dec 21 2017, 06:25 PM
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If you're in the US these Corvair engines are plentiful. Pity I'm in Australia!

I bought my engine for US $4,000, used, complete with nice inlet manifolds and nice carbs. Proven chev pushed technology, no cam chains and tensioners to bother with, hydraulic lifters, no magnesium case and stud problems. With Kennedy adaptor mates to 914 gearbox.

I think this is an option worthy of serious investigation for anyone wanting more power cheaply.
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post Dec 21 2017, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE(Mblizzard @ Dec 21 2017, 06:00 PM) *

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Dec 21 2017, 02:01 PM) *

What is the plan for cylinders?


Right now I am looking at keeping my 96mm. But I am struggling in not totally sink my budget and go with some LN Nickies 103 mm. I don't really need massive HP numbers I want usable torque. Lots of it!

Nickies would blow your budget and IMO a waste of time if not doing a stroker, I don't even know if you can get them with the T4 24mm rod pin. I'd do a stroker with iron cylinder 96's before I'd consider a stock stroke 103 engine.

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post Dec 21 2017, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Dec 21 2017, 05:55 PM) *

QUOTE(Mblizzard @ Dec 21 2017, 06:00 PM) *

QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Dec 21 2017, 02:01 PM) *

What is the plan for cylinders?


Right now I am looking at keeping my 96mm. But I am struggling in not totally sink my budget and go with some LN Nickies 103 mm. I don't really need massive HP numbers I want usable torque. Lots of it!

Nickies would blow your budget and IMO a waste of time if not doing a stroker, I don't even know if you can get them with the T4 24mm rod pin. I'd do a stroker with iron cylinder 96's before I'd consider a stock stroke 103 engine.


Yes you are right. Hope to go to a 78mm crank. Likely the iron is fine but the cool factor is immense.

I know it has been done but I would like to get some good performance on a budget. It seems that budget and performance don’t go together but I am looking.
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post Dec 21 2017, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(DaveO90s4 @ Dec 21 2017, 07:25 PM) *

If you're in the US these Corvair engines are plentiful. Pity I'm in Australia!

I bought my engine for US $4,000, used, complete with nice inlet manifolds and nice carbs. Proven chev pushed technology, no cam chains and tensioners to bother with, hydraulic lifters, no magnesium case and stud problems. With Kennedy adaptor mates to 914 gearbox.

I think this is an option worthy of serious investigation for anyone wanting more power cheaply.

There's at least one other person here currently doing a Corvair conversion (R3DPlanet, or something, I think?). Not sure how far he's gotten, but he's got a build thread on it here somewhere.

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Nickies would blow your budget and IMO a waste of time if not doing a stroker,

Slightly off topic, but has everyone else noticed that the Type 4 Store is ONLY selling Nickies now as part of their engine kits?
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post Dec 21 2017, 08:12 PM
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I've built a bunch of nickies engines, /4, /6 and 996... I can tell you to do it right it's not cheap.
I'm an LN dealer, my '67 bug is a T4 conversion with a 78 x 102mm engine.

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Slightly off topic, but has everyone else noticed that the Type 4 Store is ONLY selling Nickies now as part of their engine kits?

Likely they want you to use the correct parts and combo. I can get them without the kit.
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As Mark mentioned, if you stay in the budget range and use the KB pistons, you will want to use different ones than the ones on your 2056. KB has the ones with higher pin location for stroker application.

Mark, when you mentioned Web 163/86a, did you mean 163/86b? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Sound like a very cool project, like your MS upgrade, I will definitely follow. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
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post Dec 21 2017, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Dec 21 2017, 06:12 PM) *

I've built a bunch of nickies engines, /4, /6 and 996... I can tell you to do it right it's not cheap.
I'm an LN dealer, my '67 bug is a T4 conversion with a 78 x 102mm engine.

QUOTE(BeatNavy @ Dec 21 2017, 09:11 PM) *


Slightly off topic, but has everyone else noticed that the Type 4 Store is ONLY selling Nickies now as part of their engine kits?

Likely they want you to use the correct parts and combo. I can get them without the kit.

This is the problem us amateurs face. The engineer in me knows that the quality and long life of the Nickies are without question. But my car is not a daily driver. I put less than 1500 miles on it last year. While i am working my options i want to kick some but for $4K.

Saw a Boxster listed for $8k. Could do that swap and seel parts and have something epic and money left over. But I want to have people look at my 4 as they struggle to keep up and say that rocks. While I could spend much more, I want to do more with less. Optimistic? Yes but still a real goal.
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post Jan 11 2018, 01:18 PM
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OK so after much work and with the help of a number of vendors I found a good already complete 2056 engine that was in my price range.

A few things I learned.

First in this range of about $4K to $5K, it is hard to beat what McMark at Original Customs can do.

I also checked with a lot of others and and got some interesting info. I don't recall all of the details on exchanges of cores and such but certainly there are some options in this range. Cant say if any of them are right or wrong but it is just the information I found.


SCAT

2366 cc long block using your 914 heads $4,800.00 - outright
2600 cc long block using your 914 heads $ 6,400.00
2056 cc long block using your 914 heads will cost you $ 2,995.00

Head Flow Masters

Stroker Type 4 $4K W/ New Heads And Web. Series Cam (I am assuming this would be a bus engine)

Mofoco
Type 4 Longblock (2000cc) $3.5K (Bus Engine)

Summit Racing
Long Block Engine 2056cc Long-Block (71mm Stroke x 96mm Bore) $3.5K
Long Block Engine 2366cc Long-Block (71mm Stroke x 103mm Bore) $5K
Long Block Engine 2600cc Long-Block (78mm Stroke x 103mm Bore) $6.4K

As a last note, I worked with the Type 4 Store and they are coming up with a list of parts that they could provide for a build that would fall under this range. I would have preferred to go with the LN parts but I just don't have the time to complete a build in my garage. When I get the final numbers I will post them.

I still have the running 2056 I removed, it is a possibility that I may go the LN path for that build as I will not be under any time limits.
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post Jan 11 2018, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE(Mblizzard @ Jan 11 2018, 11:18 AM) *

OK so after much work and with the help of a number of vendors I found a good already complete 2056 engine that was in my price range.

A few things I learned.

First in this range of about $4K to $5K, it is hard to beat what McMark at Original Customs can do.

I also checked with a lot of others and and got some interesting info. I don't recall all of the details on exchanges of cores and such but certainly there are some options in this range. Cant say if any of them are right or wrong but it is just the information I found.


SCAT

2366 cc long block using your 914 heads $4,800.00 - outright
2600 cc long block using your 914 heads $ 6,400.00
2056 cc long block using your 914 heads will cost you $ 2,995.00

Head Flow Masters

Stroker Type 4 $4K W/ New Heads And Web. Series Cam (I am assuming this would be a bus engine)

Mofoco
Type 4 Longblock (2000cc) $3.5K (Bus Engine)

Summit Racing
Long Block Engine 2056cc Long-Block (71mm Stroke x 96mm Bore) $3.5K
Long Block Engine 2366cc Long-Block (71mm Stroke x 103mm Bore) $5K
Long Block Engine 2600cc Long-Block (78mm Stroke x 103mm Bore) $6.4K

As a last note, I worked with the Type 4 Store and they are coming up with a list of parts that they could provide for a build that would fall under this range. I would have preferred to go with the LN parts but I just don't have the time to complete a build in my garage. When I get the final numbers I will post them.

I still have the running 2056 I removed, it is a possibility that I may go the LN path for that build as I will not be under any time limits.


Mofoco is a bad idea.. Lots of experience with them and the owner. Lots of fishy stuff going on there.
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The 2.6 liter turbo motor from this car is available for purchase out of the PNW.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=257971&hl=

I have the current owners contact info (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jan 12 2018, 04:41 PM
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QUOTE(matthepcat @ Jan 12 2018, 02:07 PM) *

The 2.6 liter turbo motor from this car is available for purchase out of the PNW.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=257971&hl=

I have the current owners contact info (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



Likely well beyond my budget! But AWESOME!
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post Jan 16 2018, 06:25 PM
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Something evil is coming!

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post Jan 16 2018, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(Mblizzard @ Jan 16 2018, 05:25 PM) *

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What is difference about this one? Thought you already had a 2056?
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Fan is in the wrong location, should be on top and belt driven (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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QUOTE(JamesM @ Jan 16 2018, 04:57 PM) *

QUOTE(Mblizzard @ Jan 16 2018, 05:25 PM) *

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What is difference about this one? Thought you already had a 2056?


Might be a little more than a 2056. This morning one has the 78mm crank, a good cam, ported big valve heads, balanced, and a few other nice goodies. Don’t know that there is that much more HP but I am hoping for better torque and power band.
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