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> WTF?? Paypal Fraud
ChrisReale
post Jul 8 2003, 11:09 PM
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Sucks man. Happened to me one time. Buyer said he never received a refund for a returned item, but I sent him payment. I had all the proof though, but it took paypal three months to sort it out, and meanwhile, I was out the $100 while they were sorting it out.
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post Jul 8 2003, 11:09 PM
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Call the phone number and ask WTF.

Tell him that unless you get a MO the next day, the police will be the next call you make.

Fax the local police all the info you have and make a complaint.

As Ebay owns paypal complain to them (both) about their service. Tell them your going to post this info on several BBS boards with almost 10,000 members and advise everyone not to use their services unless satisfaction is resolved.

Have someone close by, drive by the guys place and scope it/him out.

Watch out selling to those non USA accounts. Is Cali part of the USA? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 8 2003, 11:09 PM
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Their toll free number is (888) 221-1161

Another toll free number is (800) 836-1859

Yet another toll free number is (877)672-9725

Their NEW regular telephone number is: (650) 864-8000

One of their fax numbers is: (402)537-5765

Their mailing address is:

PayPal
P.O. Box 45950
Omaha, NE 68145


The "official" corporate offices are at:

303 Bryant Street
Mountain View, California 94041
(650) 864-8000
(Verified via SEC filings)


Their (old?) corporate offices are at:

1840 Embarcadero Rd.
Palo Alto, CA 94303
US


The Nebraska office is at:

Paypal
11128 John Galt Boulevard
Omaha, NE 68137
(402) 935-2000
(402) 935-7733
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Jeff Krieger
post Jul 8 2003, 11:11 PM
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I jumped through all of PayPal's hoops to become an "international verified" member but I still don't have a confirmed address and I don't know how to get one. I think it's just discrimination against us Canadians. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/finger.gif)
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post Jul 8 2003, 11:20 PM
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MikeZ is a bounty hunter (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jul 9 2003, 12:41 AM
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If he really is in Vallejo Andy, Brad and myself can go "collect." My last name is Colicchio for somethin'.

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post Jul 9 2003, 12:44 AM
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Yo Tony....Youse got a Cousin named Guido?(IMG:style_emoticons/default/splat.gif)

We can make heem sleep wid da fishes.....
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post Jul 9 2003, 12:49 AM
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Exactly Mike (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fighting19.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/gunner.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif)

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post Jul 9 2003, 12:51 AM
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B << is always very polite around T's dad and family...LOL

Vallejo is 25 minutes away.


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post Jul 9 2003, 04:17 AM
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Paypal wont do anything without a tracking number.
It states that in the user agreement that no one reads.
You can call and talk to them untill you get blue in the face.
Local law will not do anything without the proper steps.
You have to goto the IFCC site
http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp
From there you file your complaint. Local law will come to you for a statement. It then progresses up the ladder of authority. Until it goes back down to the local law in his town. If he doesn't comply and you can prove the rip off it will go to court.
I went through this once but it never made it to court, he ended up paying.
And make sure no one threatens him or anything like that now that you have given out his info. You would have troubles of your own.

Good luck!!!!!
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post Jul 9 2003, 09:56 AM
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QUOTE(korijo @ Jul 8 2003, 08:41 PM)
Wants proof of tracking/shipping. N/A w/ USPS (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


Contact the post office in both cities; yours, and his.

Because you shipped it USPS, it's a federal crime, and the PO inspectors can take care of it.

Hardest part will be getting a POI to listen to you.
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post Jul 9 2003, 05:10 PM
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Korijo

The police won't do anything about this because it is too small, and you are out of state so they don't care. Paypal and e-bay will not get involved because their whole business model is predicated on the idea that they are not liable for fraud between customers (if they were, the service would cost 10x as much as it does).

Your best bet is to contact this individual directly. Try to work it out with him. If you can't work it out then send him a "demand" letter threatening a lawsuit. Also threaten to go after legal "costs." If that does not get his attention then sue him in California state court and one of us will go to court for you here. You can sue him in federal court where you live but only if you can find a federal cause of action and even then you will have personal jurisdiction problems (I don't think it will work).

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