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> Look like the right list of bits for a 914/6 build
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post Jan 11 2018, 06:19 PM
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How about patience and overage money and more patience.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jan 11 2018, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Jan 11 2018, 06:18 PM) *

CIS, in Good working condition, makes for a nice driver. It’s not so good if you want to hot rod the engine.
If you have access to a 3.0, it’s a great engine. Just about bulitproof. The single turbo 962 at our shop uses a 3.0 block for the base of the engine. It was dyno’d at 780hp.


Drivability is more important to me then the last bit of possible power, she'll be more than adequately powered with a 3 L anyway.

Thanks for the input.
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post Jan 11 2018, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 11 2018, 06:19 PM) *

How about patience and overage money and more patience.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Shouldn't there be at least one more "...and more money" in there?

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post Jan 11 2018, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE(Tdskip @ Jan 11 2018, 04:49 PM) *

QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 11 2018, 06:19 PM) *

How about patience and overage money and more patience.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Shouldn't there be at least one more "...and more money" in there?


From a song by George Harrison;

But it's gonna take money,
A whole lot of spending money,
It's goanna take plenty of money,
To do it right child

It's goanna take time,
A whole lot of precious time,
It's goanna take patience and time, um
To do it, to do it, to do it, to do it, to do it
To do it right child.

Or this song is three words long.

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post Jan 12 2018, 12:13 AM
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Money, and patience.

I almost gave up on my conversion because I became frustrated. The chorus here kept me on the straight & narrow. There are some really good people here. Really.
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post Jan 12 2018, 08:40 AM
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QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Jan 12 2018, 12:13 AM) *

Money, and patience.

I almost gave up on my conversion because I became frustrated. The chorus here kept me on the straight & narrow. There are some really good people here. Really.


What was the hardest part?
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post Jan 12 2018, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE(Tdskip @ Jan 12 2018, 09:40 AM) *

QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Jan 12 2018, 12:13 AM) *

Money, and patience.

I almost gave up on my conversion because I became frustrated. The chorus here kept me on the straight & narrow. There are some really good people here. Really.


What was the hardest part?

It will cost more than you plan - money
It will take longer than you think - patience

Totally worth it in the end. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)




I think Doug nailed it when he said - 90% done, 90% to go.
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post Jan 12 2018, 09:02 AM
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Though you have warm weather in California, you still might want to consider heat exchangers to provide defrosting. Now that they’re once again available (either OEM or mb911’s beautiful stainless ones), you may want to check costs for headers vs. exchangers.

Also, Auto Atlanta produced a nice little booklet on the conversion with wiring harness charts and oil tank cut-out templates.
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post Jan 12 2018, 09:04 AM
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I'd vote 3.0 as well, it's what I have, but if I had a running 2.7 that's what I'd use... at least for now.
I'd get the 2.7 running and document it because a running engine will get a better sale price. While I was doing this I would search for the engine I really wanted, like a 3.0 thru 3.6.

The 3.0 is a great engine, but CIS while OK enough for a stock engine is a bit sucky. The 3.2 is the gold standard for a factory FI engine conversion.
My 3.0 has cams, etc and runs weber carbs.

You said you had a flywheel, do you have the clutch?
You need a adapter plate/ring, pressure plate and disc, most use the KEP kit.
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post Jan 12 2018, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 12 2018, 09:04 AM) *

I'd vote 3.0 as well, it's what I have, but if I had a running 2.7 that's what I'd use... at least for now.
I'd get the 2.7 running and document it because a running engine will get a better sale price. While I was doing this I would search for the engine I really wanted, like a 3.0 thru 3.6.

The 3.0 is a great engine, but CIS while OK enough for a stock engine is a bit sucky. The 3.2 is the gold standard for a factory FI engine conversion.
My 3.0 has cams, etc and runs weber carbs.

You said you had a flywheel, do you have the clutch?
You need a adapter plate/ring, pressure plate and disc, most use the KEP kit.


Thanks Mark, good catch and will add those.
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post Jan 12 2018, 06:05 PM
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You also need a 914 oil cooler or a 911 cooler modified to 914 spec. I would recommend you keep the factory cooler and since you're in a hot area the front cooler.

Ben's (mb911) oil tank is about the best deal going, I believe he can set you up with just about everything needed in that area. Ben is also reproducing the front cooler lines.

The adaptor clutch from KEP I mentioned will work on both the 2.7 and 3.0/3.2, just the flywheels are different.

The BMW brakes are old school, it's debatable if it gives much more stopping power.
Most do the 5 lug porsche conversion, I did the 3" struts with Alfa brembos which are the same as 914/early 911 M calipers but in alunimum.
You would need 5 bolt rims, but those 4 bolt fuchs you have are in demand to offset cost.

Really take your time and look at other peoples conversion threads before you plop down cash. The /6 conversions are getting spendy and you don't want to be buying wrong bits.

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post Jan 12 2018, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 12 2018, 06:05 PM) *

You also need a 914 oil cooler or a 911 cooler modified to 914 spec. I would recommend you keep the factory cooler and since you're in a hot area the front cooler.

Ben's (mb911) oil tank is about the best deal going, I believe he can set you up with just about everything needed in that area. Ben is also reproducing the front cooler lines.

The adaptor clutch from KEP I mentioned will work on both the 2.7 and 3.0/3.2, just the flywheels are different.

The BMW brakes are old school, it's debatable if it gives much more stopping power.
Most do the 5 lug porsche conversion, I did the 3" struts with Alfa brembos which are the same as 914/early 911 M calipers but in alunimum.
You would need 5 bolt rims, but those 4 bolt fuchs you have are in demand to offset cost.

Really take your time and look at other peoples conversion threads before you plop down cash. The /6 conversions are getting spendy and you don't want to be buying wrong bits.


Thanks Mark
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post Jan 12 2018, 10:14 PM
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OK - to try and get myself organized and start hunting for parts at best possible prices (while supporting members here when/where possible) I have taken the list you helped me prepare and started listing the parts source next to the item needed.

Needed item | Sourcing

-engine tin | Fiberglass OK to use?
-oil tank | going with Ben's
-front oil cooler | any recommendations?
-to/from oil cooler lines | going with Ben'sn
-throttle linkage | any recommendations?
-fuel pump | 3.0 911 pump OK I assume?
-fuel lines | custom, or is there a kit?
-engine lid latch relocation bits (due to CIS) | home fabricate?
-flywheel | lighten the 3.0 one or leave as is?
-CDI box | got it covered
-O2 sensor | not needed
-Engine mount | firewall mount best?
-muffler | got it
-thermostat for the oil cooler | got it
-gauges to work with new engine | 3.0 911 tachometer ordered, what other gauges
-Filler neck for the oil tank | Ben?
-Oil dipstick | Ben?
-Oil filter console | Ben?
-19mm master cylinder| | got it covered
-FI harness | Perry Kiehl
-Conversion Wiring harness? | any ideas?
-914-6 trans mid-plate for throttle or some other contraption, not sure w/FI | any ideas?
-Shift Rod modified for headers | Tangerine
-Oil Cooler Fans | got it covered
-Oil Fed chain tensioners | got it covered
-headers or heat exchangers | got it covered

Any input?
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post Jan 12 2018, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE(Tdskip @ Jan 11 2018, 04:17 PM) *

QUOTE(mb911 @ Jan 11 2018, 04:21 PM) *

Great list also 6 headers or heatexchangers will be needed..


Thanks.

Wondering about skipping the heat exchangers since I live in SoCal....

Any been there / skipped those thoughts?


If you skip the heat exchangers, just add seat heaters before upholstery.
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post Jan 12 2018, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE(Blue6 @ Jan 12 2018, 10:42 PM) *

If you skip the heat exchangers, just add seat heaters before upholstery.


Good idea.

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post Jan 12 2018, 11:51 PM
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Perry Kiehl (on this website) will build you a killer engine wiring harness for your 914-6 conversion.

Fiberglass engine tin will be fragile. A better but more expensive option is Restoration Design's better than factory engine sheet metal for $900.

Best to use the 911 type of gauges that would have come with your 3 liter engine.
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post Jan 13 2018, 12:23 AM
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QUOTE(Tdskip @ Jan 13 2018, 05:14 PM) *

OK - to try and get myself organized and start hunting for parts at best possible prices (while supporting members here when/where possible) I have taken the list you helped me prepare and started listing the parts source next to the item needed.

Needed item | Sourcing

-engine tin | Fiberglass OK to use?
-oil tank | Will check out Ben's
-front oil cooler | any recommendations?
-to/from oil cooler lines | Will talk to Ben
-throttle linkage | any recommendations?
-fuel pump | 3.0 911 pump OK I assume?
-fuel lines | custom, or is there a kit?
-engine lid latch relocation bits (due to CIS) | home fabricate?
-flywheel | lighten the 3.0 one or leave as is?
-CDI box | got it covered
-O2 sensor | not needed
-Engine mount | firewall mount best?
-muffler | got it
-thermostat for the oil cooler | got it
-gauges to work with new engine | 911 gauges?
-Filler neck for the oil tank | Ben?
-Oil dipstick | Ben?
-Oil filter console | Ben?
-19mm master cylinder| | got it covered
-FI harness (missed that one) | any ideas?
-Conversion Wiring harness? | any ideas?
-914-6 trans mid-plate for throttle or some other contraption, not sure w/FI | any ideas?
-Shift Rod modified for headers | any ideas?
-Oil Cooler Fans | got it covered
-Oil Fed chain tensioners | got it covered
-headers or heat exchangers | got it covered

Any input?


In some order;
GRP engine tins are ok and a cheap solution but not as strong ,fit can be questionable,PM Forrest he made a set of clever ones,
oil cooler Setrab,RX7 or similar, ,Bruce Stone had some Merc ones a while back,
fuel lines are Tangerine racing or custom build yourself from truck brakeline tube,
flywheel ...leave that stock,
engine mount..so many out there but thats your call,Maddog,PMS and one member on here makes them...maybe talk to Ben on that.,
gauges mid year 70's 911 ok and mount a separate vdo 52mm fuel gauge in the lower dash,cheaper than a triple gauge conversion...up to you,
engine harness ,only one go to guy on that,pm Perry Kiehl top man makes a great product,
throttle, use stock 911 parts and drill and tap the gearbox housing or buy and expensive conversion kit..again your call,
shiftrod ? spend the coin on a Tangerine conversion...cause it works,mine was a mare to custom build...again up to you,

Just factor in a lot of time and $$$ as mentioned cause there's always this bit and that bit....all adds up even if you buy shit loads on pre-made conversion parts.
All in all a great conversion everytime you drive (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) .
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post Jan 13 2018, 06:58 AM
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Wait - Forrest is on here? Great.

I know him, I watched him build his car next to me at the workshop. Is Keith on here too?

I'll give Forrest a ring.

Will update the list above, thanks for the considerations and ideas.
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post Jan 13 2018, 07:15 AM
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914-6 trans mid-plate for throttle or some other contraption, not sure w/FI | any ideas?
Rich Johnson - a914guy@aol.com - reproduction 914-6 throttle linkage with a bracket to make it bolt onto a 914-4 trans.

I really like the pivoting engine mounts. Either Patric Motor Sports - PMS or Naro Motorsports. I have 2 of the Naro mounts. They are $125 less than PMS and I like them best.
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post Jan 13 2018, 07:56 AM
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Jan 13 2018, 07:15 AM) *

914-6 trans mid-plate for throttle or some other contraption, not sure w/FI | any ideas?
Rich Johnson - a914guy@aol.com - reproduction 914-6 shift linkage with a bracket to make it bolt onto a 914-4 trans.

I really like the pivoting engine mounts. Either Patric Motor Sports - PMS or Naro Motorsports. I have 2 of the Naro mounts. They are $125 less than PMS and I like them best.


Good morning.

These folks?

https://naroescapemotorsports.com/

Does Rich's kit with a Tangerine shift linkage set up?

Thanks!
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