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> Options to get Wider Track, crazy stupid 914 hack car
nimblemotorsports
post Jan 13 2018, 01:54 AM
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Hello, new guy here, I just picked up a donated 914 that is barely a roller, and will be used with a kitcar body and some offbrand junkyard motor/transaxle setup, for a super cheap road racer. To get this to look right, I need to use modern high negative offset wheels AND I need to widen the track width by 6 inches.

I know there are a lot of 'flared fender' 914s, this is probably a little wider than those, but can I just use 3 inch spacers to get the wider track? Seems a bit questionable for an actual road raced car. Not that I can afford good 3 inch spacers anyway.

Here is one that looks wide enough, not sure what suspension is in this v8 car.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/patrickms.s3.amazonaws.com-21793-1515830549.1.jpg)

I am thinking I should just go ahead and replace entirely the front and rear suspensions with ones that have the right width. I actually have a couple Volvo v70 fwd suspensions that are just the right width and can put them in front and back with all the necessary tubing welding, etc, etc.

Is there a simpler good cheap way. I need all three...simple, cheap, good.

This isn't the body kit i'm using, but to give an idea why I need wider track.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.thesamba.com-21793-1515830078.1.jpg)
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post Jan 15 2018, 12:41 PM
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How much longer is the other body? Making it longer wheel base will alter the driving dynamics and you will need to move the transmission back as well. Also your shock mounting points will be in the wrong location if you plan to use those. Hopefully the new body is longer past the axle also?

If you want to eventually have ~500hp I would suggest an LS or Subaru turbo motor. Audi 4 cyl turbo is another popular option.

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post Jan 15 2018, 08:31 PM
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The wheelbase is not being changed, just the wheel track, i.e. how far apart the wheels are. The car body is 12 inches wider than a 914. You could ask why use a 914 then, you idiot, use a Fiero or something else... but it must be older than 1976.
Because the 914 is smaller, I can put the body panels on without cutting up the 914 unibody structure, this is a requirement for the racing organization, otherwise, they will say it is a custom built tube-framed non-street-car and won't allow it.

I really don't want to say what the body is until it is done, cuz some moron who is dumber than me will do it first and that will really piss me off!

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How much longer is the other body? Making it longer wheel base will alter the driving dynamics and you will need to move the transmission back as well. Also your shock mounting points will be in the wrong location if you plan to use those. Hopefully the new body is longer past the axle also?

If you want to eventually have ~500hp I would suggest an LS or Subaru turbo motor. Audi 4 cyl turbo is another popular option.

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QUOTE(nimblemotorsports @ Jan 15 2018, 06:31 PM) *

The wheelbase is not being changed, just the wheel track, i.e. how far apart the wheels are. The car body is 12 inches wider than a 914. You could ask why use a 914 then, you idiot, use a Fiero or something else... but it must be older than 1976.
Because the 914 is smaller, I can put the body panels on without cutting up the 914 unibody structure, this is a requirement for the racing organization, otherwise, they will say it is a custom built tube-framed non-street-car and won't allow it.

I really don't want to say what the body is until it is done, cuz some moron who is dumber than me will do it first and that will really piss me off!

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/gearheads.org-21793-1516069903.1.jpg)


QUOTE(Justinp71 @ Jan 15 2018, 10:41 AM) *

How much longer is the other body? Making it longer wheel base will alter the driving dynamics and you will need to move the transmission back as well. Also your shock mounting points will be in the wrong location if you plan to use those. Hopefully the new body is longer past the axle also?

If you want to eventually have ~500hp I would suggest an LS or Subaru turbo motor. Audi 4 cyl turbo is another popular option.





Got it! From an engineering perspective it wont matter too much if you use deeper dish wheels, wheel spacers or extend the tube on the trailing arm (unless one of those items was a weak link itself.). You will still have the same moment force on the trailing arm from what I can tell. The only real advantage would be if you created a way to re-mount the trailing arm out farther (sounds like a lot of work!)

Fyi you can get up to 110mm studs, I think that will increase overall track ~5" I'm guessing. Then get another 7" from wider wheels. Then re-enforce the trailing arms like others have said.

914 is also pre-smog which is a huge bonus
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nimblemotorsports   Options to get Wider Track   Jan 13 2018, 01:54 AM
nimblemotorsports   So I just looked into the green one, and it seems ...   Jan 13 2018, 02:12 AM
tygaboy   Problem with using the stock trailing arms is you...   Jan 13 2018, 08:11 AM
nimblemotorsports   I'd be thrilled to use a C5 setup and no probl...   Jan 13 2018, 11:10 AM
tygaboy   I'd be thrilled to use a C5 setup and no prob...   Jan 13 2018, 01:48 PM
r_towle   Tube chassis and unequal a arms   Jan 13 2018, 08:57 AM
jd74914   :agree: You're better off going unequal double...   Jan 13 2018, 09:06 AM
GeorgeRud   Far from cheap no matter which way you go. I’d ...   Jan 13 2018, 10:43 AM
Mueller   Subframe assemblies as mentioned above. Corvette...   Jan 13 2018, 11:36 AM
Mueller   Thread showing 996 rear subframe in a 914. You can...   Jan 13 2018, 11:43 AM
ConeDodger   Ron Kain at IPB Autosport on C Street downtown Sac...   Jan 14 2018, 07:16 AM
jcd914   Ron Kain at IPB Autosport on C Street downtown Sa...   Jan 14 2018, 07:11 PM
ablesnead   Lets see ...super cheap road racer with modified d...   Jan 14 2018, 10:11 AM
nimblemotorsports   Looking closer at the 914 rear suspension, I am th...   Jan 14 2018, 11:03 AM
PanelBilly   So what class would you be Ravi g this car in?   Jan 14 2018, 10:12 AM
Blue6   "Super cheap road racer" :rotfl: :wttc...   Jan 14 2018, 11:21 AM
ablesnead   No tubo motor is even remotely cheap...they have t...   Jan 14 2018, 03:55 PM
Mueller   ----   Jan 14 2018, 04:07 PM
Mark Henry   I'm confused.... :ttiwwp: Is the purple one ...   Jan 14 2018, 06:02 PM
nimblemotorsports   I'm confused.... :ttiwwp: Is the purple one...   Jan 14 2018, 09:23 PM
Mueller   [quote name='Mark Henry' post='2568221' date='Jan...   Jan 14 2018, 09:52 PM
nimblemotorsports   I've seen that article, not the actual car i...   Jan 14 2018, 11:54 PM
Racer Chris   To get back to my 914-based kitcar project, here ...   Jan 15 2018, 09:01 PM
Jeff Hail   I've seen that article, not the actual car ...   Jan 15 2018, 10:07 PM
Mueller   Green car in your 1st post has stock width suspens...   Jan 14 2018, 06:17 PM
nimblemotorsports   Green car in your 1st post has stock width suspen...   Jan 14 2018, 09:43 PM
Mueller   [quote name='Mueller' post='2568230' date='Jan 14...   Jan 14 2018, 09:50 PM
Justinp71   How much longer is the other body? Making it longe...   Jan 15 2018, 12:41 PM
nimblemotorsports   The wheelbase is not being changed, just the wheel...   Jan 15 2018, 08:31 PM
Justinp71   The wheelbase is not being changed, just the whee...   Jan 16 2018, 01:09 PM
nimblemotorsports   I think we can sum up by saying super dish wheels ...   Jan 16 2018, 01:05 PM
Justinp71   I think we can sum up by saying super dish wheels...   Jan 16 2018, 11:23 PM
Mueller   A setup that is being used on the "real...   Jan 16 2018, 06:27 PM


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