 Heat Exchanger Sealing, Best time to seal the ends ? |
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| jim_hoyland |
 Feb 8 2018, 07:16 AM
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Get that VIN ?  Group: Members Posts: 9,300 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California 
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I am replacing my 1.8L SS HEs with the OEM steel ones. I have two good HEs; I noticed the outer shell will slide about an inches fore/aft. A previous thread on this suggests sealing the ends of the shell with Red High Temp RTV to prevent heat loss and keep CO out
My question is when can the ends be sealed; can it be done before the HEs are installed ? or after installation ? Is there a reason the shells needs wiggle room ? The SS ones will be looking for a new home...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Attached image(s) 
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| Mueller |
Feb 8 2018, 09:45 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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Why the switch Jim?
I'd be concerned of using RTV with the outgassing. I guess once it is cured it should be okay. |
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| jim_hoyland |
Feb 8 2018, 10:22 AM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,300 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(Mueller @ Feb 8 2018, 07:45 AM)  Why the switch Jim? I want a better seal at the heads; the OEM HEs have a better mating surface where they attach. Plus, at certain RPMs the SS HE create a tinny noise. |
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| theer |
Feb 8 2018, 10:40 AM
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A little wiggle room might be for heat expansion. But, the HE tin connections to the fan housing can be a challenge. I wouldn't lock down with RTV until you have everything in place and properly aligned.
But really, I don't think you lose much air flow there. As far as CO.. there's positive pressure inside, so I wouldn't think you'd suck in ambient CO through that gap. |
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| Mueller |
Feb 8 2018, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE(jim_hoyland @ Feb 8 2018, 08:22 AM) QUOTE(Mueller @ Feb 8 2018, 07:45 AM) Why the switch Jim? I want a better seal at the heads; the OEM HEs have a better mating surface where they attach. Plus, at certain RPMs the SS HE create a tinny noise. Good to know, thanks. I am still going to need some HE's sooner or later, just on the fence about stock units or SS |
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| jim_hoyland |
Feb 8 2018, 12:33 PM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,300 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(Mueller @ Feb 8 2018, 08:44 AM) QUOTE(jim_hoyland @ Feb 8 2018, 08:22 AM) QUOTE(Mueller @ Feb 8 2018, 07:45 AM) Why the switch Jim? I want a better seal at the heads; the OEM HEs have a better mating surface where they attach. Plus, at certain RPMs the SS HE create a tinny noise. Good to know, thanks. I am still going to need some HE's sooner or later, just on the fence about stock units or SS The metal on the SS HEs is pretty thin at the head end. It would be interesting whether a collar could be slipped over the ends so fitment was both larger and firmer Pics of both below... Attached thumbnail(s)  Attached image(s) 
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| jim_hoyland |
Feb 8 2018, 12:35 PM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,300 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(theer @ Feb 8 2018, 08:40 AM) A little wiggle room might be for heat expansion. But, the HE tin connections to the fan housing can be a challenge. I wouldn't lock down with RTV until you have everything in place and properly aligned. Thanks ! Hadn’t thought of that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| 914_teener |
Feb 8 2018, 01:21 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,198 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(jim_hoyland @ Feb 8 2018, 08:22 AM) QUOTE(Mueller @ Feb 8 2018, 07:45 AM) Why the switch Jim? I want a better seal at the heads; the OEM HEs have a better mating surface where they attach. Plus, at certain RPMs the SS HE create a tinny noise. Yep I agree and just got myself a set of Stock 2.0. HE's They are better IMHO for more than the fit up and sounds. I think they emit heat better as well. SS has a tendency to crevice corrode when overheated and cooled. This causes cracks. It also tends to expand unevenly if work hardened, furthering crevice cracking. There are work arounds to this and none of them are cheap. I may still .....once I'm retired......tool the half shells just for the hell of it if no one else takes it on. That's a nudge Mark...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) I've used the Copper RTV Jim...seems to hold up if you are really concerned about it. |
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| Mueller |
Feb 8 2018, 11:14 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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I know there are some very high temp items like tapes, gaskets,and packing material used for heat treat ovens that I have worked on. Some are more compliant than others and would allow for some expansion.
Thanks for the HE info, I guess I'll be sticking to stock units. |
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| rhodyguy |
Feb 9 2018, 08:10 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,080 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Those ends look nice Jim. I would'nt bother RTVing the the covers. You'll get plenty of heat. Plenty...
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| jim_hoyland |
Feb 9 2018, 09:04 AM
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Get that VIN ? Group: Members Posts: 9,300 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Sunset Beach, CA Member No.: 643 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Feb 9 2018, 06:10 AM) Those ends look nice Jim. I would'nt bother RTVing the the covers. You'll get plenty of heat. Plenty... Thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) now that I've looked closer |
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| jcd914 |
Feb 9 2018, 02:02 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,081 Joined: 7-February 08 From: Sacramento, CA Member No.: 8,684 Region Association: Northern California |
My experience when switching from OE to SSI heat exchangers was a mild improvement in engine performance and faster heat. I don't know if they would put out more or less heat in total but the SSI heated up quicker. In California heat was not a big issue either way.
The SSI tubing is slightly bigger inside diameter compared to the OE 2.0L HEs, the outside diameter is the same but the tubing is thinner walled. The thinner walled tubing and slight inner diameter increase, contribute to better exhaust flow. But also to the tinny noise Jim hears and less area on the gaskets. Since I went from 1.7L OE exchangers to 2.0L SSI's the diameter change was a little more then if I already had 2.0L OE exchangers. Jim |
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