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Type 4 rear main seal: which kind doesn't leak as much? |
98101 |
Feb 11 2018, 04:59 PM
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Michael in Seattle Group: Members Posts: 373 Joined: 7-October 17 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 21,495 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I'm finding contradictory information online about which kind of rear main seal I should use when we go in to fix the oil leaks. VW, Sabo? We'll be swapping the transaxle anyway, and investigating the clutch slipping. Are there any new findings about which kind doesn't leak oil?
I guess this should be called "engine to flywheel" seal instead of "rear" since it would face the front on a VW bus. |
injunmort |
Feb 11 2018, 05:06 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,024 Joined: 12-April 10 From: sugarloaf ny Member No.: 11,604 Region Association: North East States |
i used an ehrling, 2 years no problems
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IronHillRestorations |
Feb 11 2018, 05:17 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,708 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None |
The only one I could find that was the correct size was Sabo, I get them from gowesty.com
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saigon71 |
Feb 11 2018, 08:28 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,990 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Dillsburg, PA Member No.: 10,428 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
The only one I could find that was the correct size was Sabo, I get them from gowesty.com (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) After blowing a rear main on initial startup of a fresh rebuild, I researched and found that SABO seems to be "the best." |
MartyYeoman |
Feb 11 2018, 08:56 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,516 Joined: 19-June 03 From: San Ramon, CA Member No.: 839 Region Association: Northern California |
Black or orange? Which is which?
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saigon71 |
Feb 12 2018, 06:09 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,990 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Dillsburg, PA Member No.: 10,428 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
The SABO I installed was black.
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TheCabinetmaker |
Feb 12 2018, 06:24 AM
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I drive my car everyday Group: Members Posts: 8,299 Joined: 8-May 03 From: Tulsa, Ok. Member No.: 666 |
Sabo. Period!
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DRPHIL914 |
Feb 12 2018, 06:56 AM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,753 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States |
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IronHillRestorations |
Feb 12 2018, 07:04 AM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,708 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None |
gowesty.com has the one you want. Here's an article they wrote about the RMS
http://www.gowesty.com/tech-article-details.php?id=60 |
DRPHIL914 |
Feb 12 2018, 09:38 AM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,753 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States |
gowesty.com has the one you want. Here's an article they wrote about the RMS http://www.gowesty.com/tech-article-details.php?id=60 interesting read Perry - so it will be interesting to see if my new RMS on the boxster will last or how long, just did the clutch and IMS , it took it in thinking I had an RMS leak but it was not leaking , it was leaking from the IMS seal , but while we did all that work the shop wanted to know if I wanted to do a new RMS since the flywheel was being replaced too- so I said yes thinking new would be better and old original will start to leak - I might be wrong depending on which seal they used! ugh. time will tell! I have no idea which brand they used- hope it was OEM or the Brazil one! |
Montreal914 |
Feb 12 2018, 09:53 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,532 Joined: 8-August 10 From: Claremont, CA Member No.: 12,023 Region Association: Southern California |
Just did my clutch a couple weeks ago. After reading about it on GoWesty, I ordered their Sabo.
Definitely a nice part, much larger contact surface to the engine block. Flywheel mating surface needs to be smooth. Time will tell... |
98101 |
Feb 13 2018, 04:04 AM
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Michael in Seattle Group: Members Posts: 373 Joined: 7-October 17 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 21,495 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Ordered. Thanks for the help.
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falcor75 |
Jan 3 2020, 04:07 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,578 Joined: 22-November 12 From: Sweden Member No.: 15,176 Region Association: Scandinavia |
Resurrecting this thread for a question.
I got the Sabo brand rear main seal. Should it be set flush with the case as the old seal? |
IronHillRestorations |
Jan 3 2020, 09:00 AM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,708 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None |
Yes, flush with the case
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DRPHIL914 |
Jan 23 2023, 08:58 AM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,753 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States |
gowesty.com has the one you want. Here's an article they wrote about the RMS http://www.gowesty.com/tech-article-details.php?id=60 interesting read Perry - so it will be interesting to see if my new RMS on the boxster will last or how long, just did the clutch and IMS , it took it in thinking I had an RMS leak but it was not leaking , it was leaking from the IMS seal , but while we did all that work the shop wanted to know if I wanted to do a new RMS since the flywheel was being replaced too- so I said yes thinking new would be better and old original will start to leak - I might be wrong depending on which seal they used! ugh. time will tell! I have no idea which brand they used- hope it was OEM or the Brazil one! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon_bump.gif) @IronHillRestorations bump on this thread , it came up as i was re-reading this due to new leak. forgot posting on this 5 years ago, that was my original motor and it stayed leak free for 4 years until i dropped a valve seat, at which point we pulled the motor(still leak free) and the heads to have them rebuilt, fast forward a year and a half later that motor is still sitting, we built a new 2.1 and on that motor i had a leak after 6 months, so i pulled the trans to find a leak from trans output shaft seal and the IMS, and the clutch was a mess so in went a new RMS i got from LN, and new trans seal. Recent leak seems to be oil not trans so looks like i am pulling this motor with only 2500 miles on it to investigate, but it seems likely this is a leaking RMS again, after only 9 months and maybe 1500 miles since last spring. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) I am going to pull it this weekend, but any advice? what am i looking at or for? why the heck would my RMS be leaking again? Ive also read that some people will shorten the spring to get a tighter seal, anyone else see this? That Ehrling seal on the other motor held fine, no issue. This is a new build with all new inner bearnings new cam new crank, new every thing 18 months ago. Maybe i need to double check the crank end play. seems unlikely that i would have excess crank motion but have heard that will cause a leaking rms. btw the front seal appears dry. Thanks if anyone can commend id appreciate it. Phil |
Montreal914 |
Jan 23 2023, 01:24 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,532 Joined: 8-August 10 From: Claremont, CA Member No.: 12,023 Region Association: Southern California |
Is the seal you got from LN the Sabo as discussed above? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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DRPHIL914 |
Jan 23 2023, 01:51 PM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,753 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States |
Is the seal you got from LN the Sabo as discussed above? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) No, LN carries VR. Pretty sure i put in the 12mm seal in this motor when i did it just 9 months ago. I will verify all when i pull it this weekend, but it might just be the galley plug or it could be leaking from the seal/case interface, will see what it looks like when i pull the flywheel. Still searching for a Sabo if i can find one . I just ordered an Ehrling from Pelican just in case. |
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