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> Build me a Strong 4!, Yes, you heard me!
post Jul 10 2003, 01:08 PM
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I am going to pull my engine this week after an embarassing weekend at sears point. Too little horsepower. Can't even keep up with the 944's. I hope to build up my 2.0L into something pretty strong, probably in the 140hp range. I will be keeping the stock FI if I can, but if I can sell the stock FI, maybe I go carbs? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_flagge24.gif)

Where should I start? What should I get? I do have a budget, so I want to keep the costs somewhat moderate. Help me out. Thanks!

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post Jul 10 2003, 10:04 PM
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Do you have to stay 2.0L for your class or can you go larger?

If I was going to do a race engine, i would do an agressive webcam, carbs 44+ probably (get the CB performance linkage and manifolds - you can get carbs linkage and manifolds for ~600) and carbs are easy, you would be able to get them under control after a few times messing with them.

P/C - depends on size, if I was staying near stock I would probably do birals w/ KB pistons...any bigger than 96 I would go with the Nickies and forged pistons...

Valve train...I would go with the ceramic lifters and other lightweight goodies...try and make that thing spin...

Heads, send 'em out and have them worked over by someone who knows what they are doing...headflowmasters, rimco, I don't know who is in good graces now or not...but have the shop match the rest of your setup with valve sizes etc...

Then have the whole mess balanced...dry sump if you are really serious...and finish it of with a ceramic coated tangerine header...

well...theres my 3cents...feel free to tear it apart...depending on sizes and how high you move the power band I would think you could easily get 140 and maybe more...I have heard about 2.0L engines that make 200hp, but they rev to 8K and need a rebuild pretty often....

course what do I know...I had Jake build my engine...but its not a full race motor...

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L8Apex   Build me a Strong 4!   Jul 10 2003, 01:08 PM
URY914   go to the the typeIV section of the shoptalkforums...   Jul 10 2003, 01:21 PM
thesey914   Paul, you have a big four, yes? what's the spe...   Jul 10 2003, 01:28 PM
Brad Roberts   Paul, why would you send him away from here ?? So...   Jul 10 2003, 01:35 PM
Qarl   Are you trying to keep in the 2.0L displacement, o...   Jul 10 2003, 01:45 PM
Qarl   Paul has a 1.7 with a big bore (1.9?), racing exha...   Jul 10 2003, 01:47 PM
Brad Roberts   He just built this current engine... B   Jul 10 2003, 01:48 PM
Andyrew   Maybe your thinking of building a strong motor fro...   Jul 10 2003, 01:53 PM
Bruce Allert   I finally found a 2.0. I'd like to bump it up ...   Jul 10 2003, 02:04 PM
Qarl   Bruce... from what I read either European P&Cs (hi...   Jul 10 2003, 02:06 PM
thesey914   Terry, I reckon realistically you will have to dit...   Jul 10 2003, 02:21 PM
L8Apex   haha. Brad, I think I did a 2:16 my fastest. yes...   Jul 10 2003, 03:06 PM
nomore4   I think Raby uses Headflowmasters for his head wor...   Jul 10 2003, 03:28 PM
Bleyseng   You can get it close to 120hp with the Djet. 96mm ...   Jul 10 2003, 03:37 PM
brant   Terrance, depending upon your ultimate goal... ...   Jul 10 2003, 03:53 PM
L8Apex   Oh how I've heard that quote so many times. ...   Jul 10 2003, 04:04 PM
brant   I've never been to sears... but I've raced...   Jul 10 2003, 04:14 PM
L8Apex   I know i can definately make up more time at the "...   Jul 10 2003, 04:53 PM
Mark Henry   Here's a couple of nice T4 engines: http://ww...   Jul 10 2003, 05:26 PM
Bleyseng   How is your tranny set up?? maybe thats the ticket...   Jul 10 2003, 05:32 PM
Andyrew   How is your suspension tuned? What kind of tires? ...   Jul 10 2003, 05:44 PM
L8Apex   Suspension is pretty good. err, Bilsteins all aro...   Jul 10 2003, 05:52 PM
Bleyseng   You can swap the gears around to get better ratios...   Jul 10 2003, 05:55 PM
Tony C   20hp does not = 8 seconds, sorry. -tony :evilgrin...   Jul 10 2003, 06:41 PM
Bleyseng   Maybe if he slaps Type R stickers all over the car...   Jul 10 2003, 07:17 PM
redshift   I added those type R stickers (had to look all ove...   Jul 10 2003, 07:27 PM
L8Apex   I have no clue what top speeds I am hitting. speed...   Jul 10 2003, 07:38 PM
Jeff Krieger   Save up your money and buy one of these .   Jul 10 2003, 08:25 PM
L8Apex   I am leaning towards carbs now after some research...   Jul 10 2003, 09:10 PM
Bleyseng   Throwing on carbs on a motor that has a stock FI c...   Jul 10 2003, 09:15 PM
L8Apex   I'm definately going to get a new cam. Probab...   Jul 10 2003, 09:32 PM
cha914   Do you have to stay 2.0L for your class or can you...   Jul 10 2003, 10:04 PM
campbellcj     Jul 10 2003, 11:36 PM
jkeyzer   Buy one of Raby's engines and sell me your 2.0...   Jul 10 2003, 11:43 PM
L8Apex   WoW, thanks for the help. Let's keep this thr...   Jul 11 2003, 12:25 AM
seanery   Read webcam's info on cams. They give a pretty...   Jul 11 2003, 12:10 PM
seanery   Here it is: cam talk   Jul 11 2003, 12:12 PM
Jeff Krieger     Jul 11 2003, 12:17 PM
cha914   Cbperformance has the whole kit, new carbs, new ma...   Jul 11 2003, 12:46 PM
L8Apex   I want to keep it under 2.2 to meet PCA rules ( I ...   Jul 11 2003, 01:01 PM
J P Stein   Why are you limited to 2.2L when 944s are at leas...   Jul 11 2003, 01:01 PM
Qarl   L8apex... Don't rush anything. Plan out your...   Jul 11 2003, 01:17 PM
DNHunt   I'm checking into some of this now. It sure se...   Jul 11 2003, 04:11 PM
Brad Roberts   Yep.. convert the car to a six. Why spend 7k on a...   Jul 11 2003, 04:15 PM
L8Apex   yeah, the 6 conversion is definately one of the ch...   Jul 11 2003, 04:27 PM
DNHunt   How do you explain stubborn. My car was made a fou...   Jul 11 2003, 04:31 PM
Brad Roberts   Play your cards correctly and you can convert a 4c...   Jul 11 2003, 04:33 PM
Brad Roberts   Nothing wrong with the fours... I just know what g...   Jul 11 2003, 04:38 PM
Andyrew   Jeff, 944's are 900 pounds more than us.. and ...   Jul 11 2003, 04:48 PM
L8Apex   I will whine as much as I can :worship: But I ma...   Jul 11 2003, 05:10 PM
campbellcj   The comment about always being ready to jump on -6...   Jul 11 2003, 11:20 PM
L8Apex   With my budget, I have settled on building the 4 f...   Jul 12 2003, 02:19 PM
cgnj   Hi, 76x96 Based on building my 2270, you may not h...   Jul 12 2003, 05:21 PM
URY914   CGNJ, So you think you wouldn't need to clear...   Jul 12 2003, 06:04 PM
Brad Roberts   Hum.. I have 2 2270 engines with NO clearancing....   Jul 12 2003, 06:06 PM
URY914   Damn, now I'm back to a 2270... But who as a ...   Jul 12 2003, 06:10 PM
Brad Roberts   I think the 2270 would ideal for your car. I thin...   Jul 12 2003, 06:12 PM
URY914   BTW, I've had to revise some of my fiberglass ...   Jul 12 2003, 06:25 PM
L8Apex   What's with This Setup? I am still pretty los...   Jul 12 2003, 08:04 PM
URY914   I think thats a type 1 kit. Won't work.   Jul 12 2003, 10:28 PM
my15window   I'm from O.C.Cal, home of most all the aircool...   Jul 12 2003, 11:10 PM
cha914   You should probably go hang out at www.shoptalkfo...   Jul 12 2003, 11:17 PM
cgnj   Paul. Building it myself with my 13 year old son. ...   Jul 13 2003, 07:27 AM
DNHunt   Carlos How did it go with your son? One of the ma...   Jul 13 2003, 07:40 AM
anthony   I think it would depend a lot on your kid's te...   Jul 13 2003, 02:01 PM
Bleyseng   Blair has hung around me while I worked on cars si...   Jul 13 2003, 02:22 PM
Bruce Allert   Wow! you guys are cool.... Wished my Dad would...   Jul 13 2003, 08:27 PM
Rouser   In 1972, my "father" (he ceased being my "Pops" af...   Jul 14 2003, 09:04 PM
anthony   Consider yourself lucky you got the bug! At le...   Jul 15 2003, 01:11 AM
Rouser   Actually, he did pretty good. Since he wasn't...   Jul 15 2003, 05:54 PM
DNHunt   Rouser I was worried there but I quess I'm sa...   Jul 15 2003, 08:22 PM
Qarl   L8Apex: 1300 views and 70 replies later.... what ...   Jul 16 2003, 08:44 AM
L8Apex   haha! damn, I am very very stumped. I was th...   Jul 16 2003, 03:53 PM


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