 Timing with dual carbs, What's the best way ? |
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| 72914wrx |
 Mar 7 2018, 05:10 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 86 Joined: 5-January 15 From: Fresno Member No.: 18,298 Region Association: None 
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Having trouble timing with dual idf 40 webers . Using a bosch 009 . What's the best Procedure?
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| TheCabinetmaker |
Mar 7 2018, 05:28 PM
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I drive my car everyday Group: Members Posts: 8,300 Joined: 8-May 03 From: Tulsa, Ok. Member No.: 666 |
I only know of one way to time any vehicle. Hook up light, start engine, set timing, lock in place. Tell us just what "trouble" your having? How are you doing it? Details, man. Details!
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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Mar 7 2018, 05:38 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,857 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
set the dwell with a dwell meter to 50 then warm up the engine, and rev to 3500 and set the timing with a timing light to the red mark on the back of the fan and make sure it shows up in the v notch. Red mark is just to the right of the big thick reinforcement.
QUOTE(72914wrx @ Mar 7 2018, 04:10 PM)  Having trouble timing with dual idf 40 webers . Using a bosch 009 . What's the best Procedure? |
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| 72914wrx |
Mar 7 2018, 05:48 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 86 Joined: 5-January 15 From: Fresno Member No.: 18,298 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Mar 7 2018, 03:38 PM) set the dwell with a dwell meter to 50 then warm up the engine, and rev to 3500 and set the timing with a timing light to the red mark on the back of the fan and make sure it shows up in the v notch. Red mark is just to the right of the big thick reinforcement. QUOTE(72914wrx @ Mar 7 2018, 04:10 PM) Having trouble timing with dual idf 40 webers . Using a bosch 009 . What's the best Procedure? Thank you George ! That's what I needed |
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| brant |
Mar 7 2018, 06:51 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,623 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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Get rid of the 009 and it will run better
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| 72914wrx |
Mar 7 2018, 07:11 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 86 Joined: 5-January 15 From: Fresno Member No.: 18,298 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(brant @ Mar 7 2018, 04:51 PM) Get rid of the 009 and it will run better What's the best dizzy to run ? |
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| 914_teener |
Mar 7 2018, 07:36 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,197 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(72914wrx @ Mar 7 2018, 05:11 PM) QUOTE(brant @ Mar 7 2018, 04:51 PM) Get rid of the 009 and it will run better What's the best dizzy to run ? I'd spend the bucks on the 123 and don.t look back. |
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| mgphoto |
Mar 7 2018, 07:45 PM
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"If there is a mistake it will find me" Group: Members Posts: 1,339 Joined: 1-April 09 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 10,225 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(914_teener @ Mar 7 2018, 05:36 PM) QUOTE(72914wrx @ Mar 7 2018, 05:11 PM) QUOTE(brant @ Mar 7 2018, 04:51 PM) Get rid of the 009 and it will run better What's the best dizzy to run ? I'd spend the bucks on the 123 and don.t look back. 123 Dizzy with the Blue Tooth option. |
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| Nacho |
Mar 7 2018, 10:07 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 219 Joined: 31-December 16 From: So. California Member No.: 20,716 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(mgphoto @ Mar 7 2018, 08:45 PM) QUOTE(914_teener @ Mar 7 2018, 05:36 PM) QUOTE(72914wrx @ Mar 7 2018, 05:11 PM) QUOTE(brant @ Mar 7 2018, 04:51 PM) Get rid of the 009 and it will run better What's the best dizzy to run ? I'd spend the bucks on the 123 and don.t look back. 123 Dizzy with the Blue Tooth option. I like the 123 Dizzy but the suguested websites to purchase from arnt very good! Does anyone have a better site to purchase from? and how much do these things $$$ |
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| BK911 |
Mar 8 2018, 06:47 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 672 Joined: 19-February 04 From: Rocky Top, TN Member No.: 1,674 Region Association: None |
I've been running an 009 with dual EMPIs for over 5 years now.
No complaints, the car runs AWESOME!! |
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| rhodyguy |
Mar 8 2018, 10:53 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,080 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Increase the idle speed using just one of the idle speed adj screws. A higher, consistent, stable idle leaving both hands free to set/confirm your timing.
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| ClayPerrine |
Mar 8 2018, 02:30 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,463 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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An 009 distributor was designed for a static speed industrial motor based on the type IV. It doesn't have the proper advance curve for a car engine. You are better off running a 123, or even the stock distributor for a 1.8L L-Jet engine. Both will work better than the 009.
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| 914_teener |
Mar 8 2018, 04:14 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,197 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(Nacho @ Mar 7 2018, 08:07 PM) QUOTE(mgphoto @ Mar 7 2018, 08:45 PM) QUOTE(914_teener @ Mar 7 2018, 05:36 PM) QUOTE(72914wrx @ Mar 7 2018, 05:11 PM) QUOTE(brant @ Mar 7 2018, 04:51 PM) Get rid of the 009 and it will run better What's the best dizzy to run ? I'd spend the bucks on the 123 and don.t look back. 123 Dizzy with the Blue Tooth option. I like the 123 Dizzy but the suguested websites to purchase from arnt very good! Does anyone have a better site to purchase from? and how much do these things $$$ http://123ignitionusa.com |
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| brant |
Mar 8 2018, 04:22 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,623 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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also there are cheaper options than the 123
they may not necessarily be better, but definitely cheaper. so there are actually 2 different 1.8 distributors (2 different part numbers) I do not have proof, but was led to believe that one had a slightly better advance curve than the other. I can't remember which.... but its buried in this site somewhere... the 1.8 (as mentioned above) is a better option than the 009 additionally there is the bosch 050 distributor these were very popular with VW guys at one time these have a decent advance curb for carbs they are no longer produced, but are sometimes found used and are more affordable than the 123 I've always used the 050 for the last 20 years on carb cars... I've put them on about 4 cars. |
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| bbrock |
Mar 8 2018, 07:44 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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I'm still pondering what distributor to use for my carbs. I've used 009s before and didn't like them because of the flat spot. Back in the 80s when I rebuilt the bottom of my 2.0L to convert to carbs, I bought a 050. As yet, that dizzy has never been used because I never finished the engine (heads are out for rebuild now). Now I'm thinking I would like vacuum advance so have been looking at the SVDA034 distributors but also wondering how the stock would run. A 123 would be awesome, but my pockets aren't that deep. Here's an interesting article on options: http://www.aircooled.net/vw-distributor-options/ I have no experience or expertise here, I'm just another guy trying to figure out my best option for a dizzy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
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