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> Your thoughts on this hellhole?, Fix immediately, or drive this summer and fix later?
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post Mar 16 2018, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(Rand @ Mar 16 2018, 02:56 PM) *

Eric beat me to the punch. That passenger door gap is WAY beyond the big butt test, it's clearly obvious there are *serious* structure problems.

My first 914 was like this. The only way I would keep driving it before doing a proper repair was a temporary brace. I jacked up under the firewall until it was lined up, welded in a brace between the rear shock tower and part way down the long. That gave me enough confidence to drive it before getting the the real fix it really needs.

That thing is going to be an artichoke. The more leaves you pull away, the more rust and problems you will find. I hope you are as happy doing fabrication work as I was.

I do like other aspects of the car. The motor is running nicely now, it’s got a front oil cooler, I’ve got a rebuilt transmission and linkage on the way, etc. How bad would it have to be before you’d advise scrapping it and starting over with another tub?
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post Mar 16 2018, 07:21 PM
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Not enough information to say for sure that your car has serious rot problems. The hell hole doesn't look that bad to me. Mine was worse than that and my longs are rust free and pristine. Hopefully the door issue is just a wonky door hinge. Pull the passenger side valence off to see if there is rust along the long or at the jack point.

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post Mar 16 2018, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Mar 16 2018, 02:37 PM) *

Hate to say it but, by looking at that door, there's much more than just hell hole patching going on here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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post Mar 16 2018, 08:09 PM
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How bad would it have to be before you’d advise scrapping it and starting over with another tub?

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post Mar 16 2018, 08:14 PM
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Never ask for advice on a car board. The answer is always you are screwed and need a new car. HaHa

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post Mar 17 2018, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE(MarkV @ Mar 16 2018, 06:14 PM) *

Never ask for advice on a car board. The answer is always you are screwed and need a new car. HaHa

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Funny, but I disagree 100% around here. You'll get a lot of good advice because there are people here who understand these cars inside and out. There's nothing new when it comes to the rust problems in 914s.

I would way rather be told the truth than have somebody gloss over it without understanding how dangerous that car can be and tell me to just drive it.

We can't diagnose this 100% without analyzing it in person, but those pics combined with our experience can tell a heck of a lot. That car needs immediate attention. Ignore and drive it like it is, and you may end up in a much worse place.

I totally get wanting to drive it. Like I said, my first 914 was like this and I needed to drive it. So I put temporary braces in after lining up the gaps and getting things straight. At least then I didn't have to worry about things getting worse before I could repair it right.

Like was mentioned previously, you need to look at the suspension console and the rest of the places that rust causes catastrophic damage to. You don't want to carve a hard corner and have something give way because the rot couldn't handle the stress.
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post Mar 17 2018, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE(Rand @ Mar 17 2018, 06:25 PM) *

Funny, but I disagree 100% around here. You'll get a lot of good advice because there are people here who understand these cars inside and out...



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post Mar 18 2018, 12:27 AM
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Based on that picture of the door gap alone I wouldn’t drive it.
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post Mar 18 2018, 12:34 AM
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We need some more pics before making judgement. Specifically of the lower long, the rear suspension ears (Both please) from the outside and on the inside (looking for cracks).

It could be a solid(ish) chassis that was rusted and then in an accident, or someone welded long stiffeners and screwed up the gaps.
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post Mar 18 2018, 12:52 AM
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We will be looking at the state of things in more depth very soon.
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post Mar 18 2018, 01:09 AM
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Thank you all for the advice. We'll be digging into this within a couple weeks and could post photos of what we find on this thread.

I'm undecided what I would do if the cancer is malignant since I'm enjoying the torquey 2366 motor (even with its incorrect cam), the fabric seats, the bizarre array of gauges, the Australian wheels, the slightly lowered stance, etc.
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post Mar 18 2018, 06:37 AM
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QUOTE(amfab @ Mar 17 2018, 10:44 PM) *

QUOTE(Rand @ Mar 17 2018, 06:25 PM) *

Funny, but I disagree 100% around here. You'll get a lot of good advice because there are people here who understand these cars inside and out...



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post Mar 18 2018, 10:48 AM
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I knew where you could get a pristine tub but it recently sold for over $90,000.

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Hopefully it isn't damaged so bad that it cant be fixed. In my humble opinion the rot in the hell hole doesn't look bad enough for the rot below to be horrible. I could be wrong. Doesn't take much to look underneath and do some poking around with the tip of a screwdriver to figure out how bad it is.

Besides, it just adds excitement to driving when you know that your passenger side rear wheel could pass you on a tight corner while going too fast.

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post Mar 18 2018, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(98101 @ Mar 16 2018, 12:47 AM) *


Passenger door closes, but droops a little when not latched.



By the comment, I'm assuming the door is open in this pic, yes?
If the door is actually open in this pic, there's no way to know what the door gap actually looks like. Depending on how steep an angle the pic was taken, a slightly open door could look like a super wonky door gap.
Before we terrify this guy into thinking he's bought a rust bomb, let's see a pic of the door gap, the entire gap from top to bottom, with the door fully closed.
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post Mar 18 2018, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE(era vulgaris @ Mar 18 2018, 12:38 PM) *

QUOTE(98101 @ Mar 16 2018, 12:47 AM) *


Passenger door closes, but droops a little when not latched.



By the comment, I'm assuming the door is open in this pic, yes?
If the door is actually open in this pic, there's no way to know what the door gap actually looks like. Depending on how steep an angle the pic was taken, a slightly open door could look like a super wonky door gap.
Before we terrify this guy into thinking he's bought a rust bomb, let's see a pic of the door gap, the entire gap from top to bottom, with the door fully closed.

Yes, previous photo was door slightly open. Here it is with door closed (and roof off):
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post Mar 18 2018, 02:59 PM
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Nice!

Looks like original color was yellow maybe. Everyone knows yellow cars are faster.
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post Mar 18 2018, 03:04 PM
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Nice!

Looks like original color was yellow maybe. Everyone knows yellow cars are faster.

In Tucson I'd restore it back to yellow right away. Here I need the most heat-absorbant color I can get. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Rich noticed that the rocker panels are fiberglass. I can't work on cars where I am so we'll pull them off at his place in a couple weeks.
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post Mar 18 2018, 10:54 PM
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Something about a black on a 914 that is really good looking. I had a police officer comment on my black 74 as he was writing me a speeding ticket. He said it was a "handsome car".... I guess that is a compliment. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

Based on those door gaps I don't think its going to fold in on itself anytime soon.
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post Mar 19 2018, 07:19 AM
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QUOTE(98101 @ Mar 16 2018, 06:45 PM) *

How bad would it have to be before you’d advise scrapping it and starting over with another tub?


I found this on the hell hole link above. I think, unless the car is broken in half, someone will want to fix it.

Soon the same will be said about your car....

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QUOTE(MarkV @ Mar 16 2018, 06:14 PM) *

Never ask for advice on a car board. The answer is always you are screwed and need a new car. HaHa

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Funny, but I disagree 100% around here. You'll get a lot of good advice because there are people here who understand these cars inside and out. There's nothing new when it comes to the rust problems in 914s.

I would way rather be told the truth than have somebody gloss over it without understanding how dangerous that car can be and tell me to just drive it.
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No one pulls any punches around here, but when/if you start a build thread, the support is awesome. You feel like everyone is on your side.
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