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> Ideas On Auxiliary Heating Systems, Using Headers but Want Heat!
MikeInMunich
post Apr 20 2018, 12:15 AM
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Greetings once again from Munich!

It’s cold over here when the sun goes down, not to mention nice days in March, April, October and November. I need heat, and I don’t have it because my engine has headers.

I am thinking I will need a high output alternator if I’m using only 12v in order to get the necessary output.

Is this somehow a bad idea? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

Questions:

How would a e.g. 50 amp alternator affect power and gas mileage?

Would it have any effect on the electrical system?

Can you recommend a heater for this application?

Other suggestions on how to best get heat into the cabin without heat exchangers?

Here is an article on PTC (positive thermal coefficient) heaters...

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.10...-11628-5_51.pdf

Thanks for your feedback and advice!

Mike in Munich
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post Apr 21 2018, 12:33 PM
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If you're handy at fabrication, you may be able to make some heat exchanger wrapping for your header pipes. As we've seen from Tangerine's similar setup, the output isn't huge amounts of heat, but it's more than good enough to clear your windscreen. And it will be available quickly, unlike heat coming from water-based coolant.

Mueller looked into wrapping tubing around header pipes and pushing glycol through there with an electric pump, but consensus was a lot of work for relatively little benefit. You'd need to wrap the outside of the wrapped pipe with something like header wrap to keep the glycol from cooling off too quickly, and insulate it until it got where you wanted the heat.

Any way you go, you'll need to put some air distribution stuff back into the car. The stock stuff is easy and is known to fit, but you can fake up stuff if you're creative.

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MikeInMunich   Ideas On Auxiliary Heating Systems   Apr 20 2018, 12:15 AM
dansvan   Gas powered Webasto or Espar?   Apr 20 2018, 12:49 AM
MikeInMunich   Gas powered Webasto or Espar? Yes, good options...   Apr 20 2018, 01:31 AM
SirAndy   Gas powered Webasto or Espar? :agree: http://ww...   Apr 21 2018, 08:53 PM
Mark Henry   Gas powered Webasto or Espar? :agree: http://w...   Apr 27 2018, 10:57 AM
sb914   Heated seats !   Apr 20 2018, 05:57 AM
Cairo94507   Heated seats and Ben's heat exchangers.   Apr 20 2018, 06:24 AM
mepstein   Every year guys talk about the gas fired heaters b...   Apr 20 2018, 06:30 AM
Mark Henry   Every year guys talk about the gas fired heaters ...   Apr 20 2018, 07:13 AM
porschetub   Played with electric,didn't spend a lot (lucki...   Apr 20 2018, 05:14 PM
MikeInMunich   Played with electric,didn't spend a lot (luck...   Apr 21 2018, 01:24 AM
Mark Henry   Played with electric,didn't spend a lot (luc...   Apr 21 2018, 06:36 AM
dansvan   The webasto and espar units while not cheap, fit i...   Apr 20 2018, 05:28 PM
98101   I'm in a similar situation. Thinking about th...   Apr 21 2018, 01:10 AM
Luke M   What are the water cooled conv. guys running? Wond...   Apr 21 2018, 07:25 AM
jim_hoyland   Warmer clothes ? Layer up... :poke:   Apr 21 2018, 07:35 AM
Luke M   Warmer clothes ? Layer up... :poke: Lol.. may...   Apr 21 2018, 07:43 AM
Rand   Warmer clothes ? Layer up... :poke: Lol.. mayb...   Apr 24 2018, 03:01 PM
98101   Seriously? 40s? You mean above freezing or below?...   Apr 25 2018, 08:47 PM
Dave_Darling   In my Miata, having a good heater means I can lea...   Apr 26 2018, 10:13 AM
mepstein   In my Miata, having a good heater means I can le...   Apr 26 2018, 11:11 AM
Edward Blume   Heh, I still remember getting pulled over by a c...   Apr 27 2018, 04:12 AM
Rand   Seriously? 40s? You mean above freezing or below...   Apr 26 2018, 04:03 PM
MikeInMunich   [quote name='98101' post='2602870' date='Apr 25 2...   Apr 27 2018, 01:28 AM
Mblizzard   [quote name='Rand' post='2603074' date='Apr 26 20...   Apr 27 2018, 10:21 AM
Dave_Darling   So 12v and e.g. 100 amps from a high output alter...   Apr 27 2018, 11:19 AM
worn   So 12v and e.g. 100 amps from a high output alte...   Apr 27 2018, 11:33 AM
mepstein   [quote name='Dave_Darling' post='2603335' date='A...   Apr 27 2018, 11:54 AM
worn   buy a heated seat pad. plug it into power outlet....   Apr 27 2018, 12:13 PM
Mark Henry   Oil isn't the greatest for heat transfer, you ...   Apr 21 2018, 08:05 AM
GeorgeRud   I was also searching for heat options for my 914-6...   Apr 21 2018, 12:02 PM
Dave_Darling   If you're handy at fabrication, you may be abl...   Apr 21 2018, 12:33 PM
porschetub   I researched this extensively for my car...not tha...   Apr 22 2018, 02:56 AM
Mark Henry   I looked at why a Tesla doesn't use a heat pum...   Apr 22 2018, 09:28 AM
edwin   I've been seriously considering buying one of ...   Apr 23 2018, 08:02 AM
Mblizzard   While you lose some of the instant heat, I would g...   Apr 23 2018, 02:25 PM
Dave_Darling   While you lose some of the instant heat, I would ...   Apr 24 2018, 08:36 AM
Mblizzard   While you lose some of the instant heat, I would...   Apr 24 2018, 11:51 AM
Dave_Darling   OK so I am not sure I see a connection. Are you s...   Apr 24 2018, 08:22 PM
Mblizzard   OK so I am not sure I see a connection. Are you ...   Apr 25 2018, 06:41 AM
98101   You are correct on the delay! Not sure that I...   Apr 25 2018, 08:33 PM
SirAndy   but the point is that for most of us the oil-fed h...   Apr 26 2018, 12:57 PM
Edward Blume   While you lose some of the instant heat, I would...   Apr 26 2018, 05:11 AM
McMark   Is your car 4cyl? Cause I can get you a 250amp al...   Apr 23 2018, 02:29 PM
Mblizzard   Is your car 4cyl? Cause I can get you a 250amp a...   Apr 23 2018, 05:51 PM
mepstein   Different year, same thread.   Apr 23 2018, 06:42 PM
mepstein   I don’t understand why guys don’t like the ss ...   Apr 24 2018, 10:28 AM
Mblizzard   I don’t understand why guys don’t like the ss...   Apr 24 2018, 11:59 AM
mepstein   I don’t understand why guys don’t like the s...   Apr 24 2018, 12:07 PM
Mblizzard   [quote name='Mblizzard' post='2602448' date='Apr ...   Apr 24 2018, 01:04 PM
98101   I don’t understand why guys don’t like the ss...   Apr 27 2018, 01:14 PM
Mark Henry   I don’t understand why guys don’t like the s...   Apr 27 2018, 02:49 PM
Garland   For me, it was around 40 years old, when I started...   Apr 25 2018, 10:26 PM
wysri9   For my stripped competition/road car I am going fo...   Apr 26 2018, 02:25 AM
Dave_Darling   I believe I didn't say either of those things....   Apr 26 2018, 03:41 PM
GeorgeRud   Maybe Ben (mb911) would make some if there was eno...   Apr 28 2018, 01:36 PM
larryM   ... perhaps fabricating some outer envelopes over...   Apr 29 2018, 03:27 PM
76-914   It was interesting to hear Scott? @PMS speak to th...   Apr 28 2018, 05:55 PM
theer   I have a water cooled conversion and never run th...   Apr 29 2018, 04:37 PM


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