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> SOT, For all those complaining about /6 engine prices, At least it's not a 996 engine
Mark Henry
post May 23 2018, 05:18 AM
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Just received some goodies for my next 996 engine build, 4.0 LN block, JE pistons, custom head gaskets, LN Solution IMS bearing, Carrillo rods, new pinned IMS shaft and CrMo pump drive.

Just these parts alone are around the cost of a stock /6 pro rebuild. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)


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post May 23 2018, 05:22 AM
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I got a call from a guy yesterday, he was local, about a 2003 C4S with 30,000 miles and a bad IMS bearing. I figured those motors were pricey, and passed on the car. Sounds like I chose right based on what you're saying on costs.
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post May 23 2018, 05:31 AM
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I wonder if the parts will ever come down in price? There would be enough volume from production numbers for sure.
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post May 23 2018, 05:43 AM
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I got a call from a guy yesterday, he was local, about a 2003 C4S with 30,000 miles and a bad IMS bearing. I figured those motors were pricey, and passed on the car. Sounds like I chose right based on what you're saying on costs.

How much? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Not really in the market but would be interested for the right price.
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post May 23 2018, 05:50 AM
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QUOTE(mb911 @ May 23 2018, 07:31 AM) *

I wonder if the parts will ever come down in price? There would be enough volume from production numbers for sure.


Doubt it, this is only a bit higher than if doing a high end /6 build with LN nickies and Carrillo rods.
For a 3.0up /6 LN nickies are only about a grand more than a new mahle stock P&C kit.

There is a company in the UK that does it cheaper than LN, but it uses your old stock pistons, the cost savings are less than the set of new JE's.
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post May 23 2018, 06:20 AM
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So to wrap my head around this are you talking 10k in parts or 20k ?
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post May 23 2018, 06:33 AM
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So to wrap my head around this are you talking 10k in parts or 20k ?


My price is in Canadian so I'd have to look it up on the LN site, but $10K sounds close.
With all the stock parts included, plus flywheel and clutch kit, 6 gallons of coolant, etc $20K in parts isn't too far off.

Performance costs, this is a 3.6 to 4.0 upgrade for a C4s combo street/track toy.
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post May 23 2018, 06:42 AM
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We are doing an $80k 3.8 build. CNC heads, lots of custom stuff. Should be pretty.
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post May 23 2018, 07:08 AM
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We are doing an $80k 3.8 build. CNC heads, lots of custom stuff. Should be pretty.


Just on the engine or other work as well?
Easy to spend a lot on these cars, definitely not a poor man's game, but still cheap compared to Ferrari, etc.
And yes I'm forgetting the headwork, owner still on the fence, but he only has a couple more weeks to pull the trigger.

I'm finishing up the install of a 3.8 (was 3.4) right now, pretty well stock but with a bullet proof bottom end.
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ May 23 2018, 03:43 AM) *

QUOTE(Unobtanium-inc @ May 23 2018, 07:22 AM) *

I got a call from a guy yesterday, he was local, about a 2003 C4S with 30,000 miles and a bad IMS bearing. I figured those motors were pricey, and passed on the car. Sounds like I chose right based on what you're saying on costs.

How much? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Not really in the market but would be interested for the right price.


He wanted $12,000, but it could probably be had for less, let me know if you want the contact info.
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ May 23 2018, 09:08 AM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ May 23 2018, 08:42 AM) *

We are doing an $80k 3.8 build. CNC heads, lots of custom stuff. Should be pretty.


Just on the engine or other work as well?
Easy to spend a lot on these cars, definitely not a poor man's game, but still cheap compared to Ferrari, etc.
And yes I'm forgetting the headwork, owner still on the fence, but he only has a couple more weeks to pull the trigger.

I'm finishing up the install of a 3.8 (was 3.4) right now, pretty well stock but with a bullet proof bottom end.

Just the engine. I think it will be a $300k car.
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post May 23 2018, 08:45 AM
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QUOTE(Unobtanium-inc @ May 23 2018, 09:21 AM) *


He wanted $12,000, but it could probably be had for less, let me know if you want the contact info.


I'm interested if Mark Henry passes...
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post May 23 2018, 08:51 AM
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Yeah, I got absolutely 0 interest..
Wouldn’t take one free exzept
To maybe flip it for some coin..
My old mechanic said that if it puked green stuff.
It wasn’t a Porsche..
He built Ralph Meaneys engines in the day..
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post May 23 2018, 09:51 AM
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m96 wasn't known to be a great engine but they unfairly get a bad rap.

with a custom build all bets are off as far as cost.

I love my 996

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Yeah, I got absolutely 0 interest..
Wouldn’t take one free exzept
To maybe flip it for some coin..
My old mechanic said that if it puked green stuff.
It wasn’t a Porsche..
He built Ralph Meaneys engines in the day..
r


you haven't driven one then
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I think LS v8 conversions are going to be MUCH more popular in the future for the 996's.

I've been considering it when the prices of the cars hit rock bottom and the conversion gets a little more affordable as the 996's are very nice drivers cars.
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post May 23 2018, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(jmitro @ May 23 2018, 11:51 AM) *

m96 wasn't known to be a great engine but they unfairly get a bad rap.

with a custom build all bets are off as far as cost.

I love my 996

QUOTE(gandalf_025 @ May 23 2018, 09:51 AM) *

Yeah, I got absolutely 0 interest..
Wouldn’t take one free exzept
To maybe flip it for some coin..
My old mechanic said that if it puked green stuff.
It wasn’t a Porsche..
He built Ralph Meaneys engines in the day..
r


you haven't driven one then


I’d wait for a test ride in a new
Mid engine Vette way before buying a water cooled
Porsche.
I am not a real fan of Vettes either, but I have an early
ZR1 that the factory claims 180 mph out of the box.
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post May 23 2018, 01:02 PM
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QUOTE(jmitro @ May 23 2018, 11:51 AM) *

m96 wasn't known to be a great engine but they unfairly get a bad rap.

with a custom build all bets are off as far as cost.

I love my 996

QUOTE(gandalf_025 @ May 23 2018, 09:51 AM) *

Yeah, I got absolutely 0 interest..
Wouldn’t take one free exzept
To maybe flip it for some coin..
My old mechanic said that if it puked green stuff.
It wasn’t a Porsche..
He built Ralph Meaneys engines in the day..
r


you haven't driven one then

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Love my 996... A lot of fun to drive for the price...
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post May 24 2018, 06:10 AM
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QUOTE(billh1963 @ May 23 2018, 10:45 AM) *

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He wanted $12,000, but it could probably be had for less, let me know if you want the contact info.


I'm interested if Mark Henry passes...


Not the right time for me right now, so go for it, sounds like a good deal.
I will be looking in the fall when I can afford the time off.
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post May 24 2018, 06:19 AM
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QUOTE(JOEPROPER @ May 23 2018, 03:02 PM) *

QUOTE(jmitro @ May 23 2018, 11:51 AM) *

m96 wasn't known to be a great engine but they unfairly get a bad rap.

with a custom build all bets are off as far as cost.

I love my 996

QUOTE(gandalf_025 @ May 23 2018, 09:51 AM) *

Yeah, I got absolutely 0 interest..
Wouldn’t take one free exzept
To maybe flip it for some coin..
My old mechanic said that if it puked green stuff.
It wasn’t a Porsche..
He built Ralph Meaneys engines in the day..
r


you haven't driven one then

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Love my 996... A lot of fun to drive for the price...


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I'm an old aircooled mechanic and used to think the same, Charles was the one asking me to get into the 996 engines. Now I've driven 996/997 I do have to agree they are a nice sports car. Not an aircooled 911, much more refined, heavier, similar but different feel and much more modern.
I like them and I'm seriously thinking of building one for my wife, but of course I'll be borrowing it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Just some quick comparison of the stock vs LN 996 bottom end parts

Pic 1, Left stock 3.6 95mm, right 4.0 JE 100mm, The JE is 7.7g heavier than stock.

Pic 2, Face to face size difference, doesn't look like much but times 6 = 400cc

Pic3, Left stock rod, right Carrillo rod, Carrillo rod is just under 100g lighter.
So piston and rod together is 92g lighter than stock, times 6 = 552g removed from rotating mass.

The Carrillo rod is stronger, lighter and it you can resize the big end. The stock rod uses cracked rod tech, the big end can not be serviced.


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