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| 912e owner |
 Jun 3 2018, 01:21 PM
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Newbie  Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 3-June 18 From: pittsburgh Member No.: 22,185 Region Association: None  |
Hello 914 owners - my name is Frank and I have a 1976 912e that was completely rebuilt by the previous owner (all numbers match) and I just enjoy the heck out of the car - leaving my 2014 Carrera in the garage most of the time!
OK here is why I am here - we share the engine and transmission of a 1975 914 (I think except for the type of fuel injection so I a bit familiar with these pieces) - I do my own routine maintenance (oil changes etc) but am not a rebuilder - so please give me your thoughts! I am considering a 1976 bone stock 914 that has been in storage since the early 1990's - it is copper in color and has approximately 40k miles - one owner who passed away and left in the garage since then - integral type so it has been climate controlled -I have seen the car from the bottom mostly as it is in a used car/restoration garage on a lift (over a roadrunner) - the bottom is clean with no leaks or rust - dealer tells me that he has removed the tank and cleaned up the fuel system and will add new hoses etc - interior is as new - clean with no damage anywhere - even has the original am/fm radio - no modifications as it is as delivered - body looks excellent with excellent wheels etc. It has not been driven as the dealer is going to completely go over the engine before starting it up - he is a dealer who specializes in vintage and unusual cars (currently has a Jensen and roadrunner on the lot as an example) If the car is all original with no rust anywhere as he states and only one owner would you pay 20k as he is asking? - also I thought 1975 was the last year - he has all records even the window sticker - I thank you! Frank |
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| 914Sixer |
Jun 3 2018, 01:33 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,882 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region 
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All the 1976 914 were built in 1975 . Copper color is a plus, special order color. Mileage is good.Having the plumbing gone thru is a plus. Go for the lowest price you want to start at and work from there. Probably double the sticker ( $7500?) will get you in the ballpark.
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| burton73 |
Jun 3 2018, 02:19 PM
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burton73 Group: Members Posts: 3,525 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(912e owner @ Jun 3 2018, 12:21 PM)  Hello 914 owners - my name is Frank and I have a 1976 912e that was completely rebuilt by the previous owner (all numbers match) and I just enjoy the heck out of the car - leaving my 2014 Carrera in the garage most of the time! OK here is why I am here - we share the engine and transmission of a 1975 914 (I think except for the type of fuel injection so I a bit familiar with these pieces) - I do my own routine maintenance (oil changes etc) but am not a rebuilder - so please give me your thoughts! I am considering a 1976 bone stock 914 that has been in storage since the early 1990's - it is copper in color and has approximately 40k miles - one owner who passed away and left in the garage since then - integral type so it has been climate controlled -I have seen the car from the bottom mostly as it is in a used car/restoration garage on a lift (over a roadrunner) - the bottom is clean with no leaks or rust - dealer tells me that he has removed the tank and cleaned up the fuel system and will add new hoses etc - interior is as new - clean with no damage anywhere - even has the original am/fm radio - no modifications as it is as delivered - body looks excellent with excellent wheels etc. It has not been driven as the dealer is going to completely go over the engine before starting it up - he is a dealer who specializes in vintage and unusual cars (currently has a Jensen and roadrunner on the lot as an example) If the car is all original with no rust anywhere as he states and only one owner would you pay 20k as he is asking? - also I thought 1975 was the last year - he has all records even the window sticker - I thank you! Frank Without seeing it and knowing that there is no rust I want to point out that a 76 914 in original shape ( Very Good) paint with records is easy worth $20,000. Today. Sold mine to Belgium in Jan. of this year for that number. A car dealer will get the Max dollar the car and knows how to list it. You need to know all the problem spots on the car as 40,000 in Pittsburg if and of it was in the snow ( Salt) or rain could have started problems. Get a 914 guy to help you out on a PPI Bob B |
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| Tdskip |
Jun 3 2018, 02:21 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,686 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None
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Welcome!
Post pictures if you can, will be a big help. |
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| 912e owner |
Jun 3 2018, 04:25 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 3-June 18 From: pittsburgh Member No.: 22,185 Region Association: None |
Thanks for the help so far guys - hope to see it on the ground later this week and will get some pics - first time I have seen the bottom of a car first - one question - I noticed that it had 2 exhaust tips which had yellow stripes around the chrome tips - this cannot be original is it? - i only have one exhaust out of my engine
thanks for the help |
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| Spoke |
Jun 3 2018, 05:11 PM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,979 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None
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Where in the 'burgh do you live? I have a condo in Sewickley, work in Plum. Are you planning to bring your 912 to the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix? I'll be bringing my 930 to the car show at Schenley Park on Sat 7/14. |
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| burton73 |
Jun 3 2018, 06:31 PM
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burton73 Group: Members Posts: 3,525 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(Spoke @ Jun 3 2018, 04:11 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) Where in the 'burgh do you live? I have a condo in Sewickley, work in Plum. Are you planning to bring your 912 to the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix? I'll be bringing my 930 to the car show at Schenley Park on Sat 7/14. SorryI forgot, Welcome (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) Bob B |
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| DRPHIL914 |
Jun 3 2018, 06:58 PM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,766 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States
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I also have a copper metallic car L99K paint code, I previously thought it was only able to be ordered in 75, but I guess 76 as well! Rare color, I've only seen 6 or 7 here on world. there are 3 owners that are active here, and one went to Europe recently. I would say if the price is right, grab it! and please , pictures! |
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| DRPHIL914 |
Jun 3 2018, 07:04 PM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,766 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States
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QUOTE(912e owner @ Jun 3 2018, 06:25 PM) Thanks for the help so far guys - hope to see it on the ground later this week and will get some pics - first time I have seen the bottom of a car first - one question - I noticed that it had 2 exhaust tips which had yellow stripes around the chrome tips - this cannot be original is it? - i only have one exhaust out of my engine thanks for the help that sounds like a Monza. the 75 and 76 models had some very restrictive catalytic converters and heat exchangers. the stock muffler I think was Bursch, but mine came with a Monza and the original HE which were badly rusted out. it was the first thing I did other than sort the FI( which will be d-jetronic Bosch on the 2.0. I have an after market Triad but if I were getting one today I would back date the HE to a earlier year HE and add a stainless muffler from Tangernie Racing-Chris Foley. There are other options but look close at your exhaust and make sure those original HE are not leaking- that is if the original ones are actually still there. Maybe those have already been changed out. Picutres would help. Phil |
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| Blue6 |
Jun 3 2018, 07:54 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,035 Joined: 3-October 13 From: SoCal Member No.: 16,470 Region Association: Southern California
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Frank,
First, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) . Second, while the copper metallic might be rare, it’s proven that a car painted that color is slower than BLUE.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) As suggested, get a knowleadgeable 914 guy to look at it. Lots hidden from an untrained eye... |
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| Mikey914 |
Jun 3 2018, 08:59 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,669 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None
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You had me at no leaks and no rust.
However, You do need to do a through inspection on the lift looking at all the usual spots (hell hole, longs, underside mostly, the trunks are easy). He is a dealer ask him to make you a deal you can't refuse. The inspection is the real key, they all have some rust. Just make sure it is minimal. No rust is a unicorn. It's a 76 the production is limited, but not necessarily the most desirable of all. It's not bone stock with that exhaust, and you should research what it would cost you locally to make it bone stock. That's a good place to start. It's not an unfair price, or maybe still a bargain, but bone stock and rust free are embellishments to the truth. By the way I have 912E with sunroof (my wife does anyhow). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) |
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| 914-300Hemi |
Jun 3 2018, 10:26 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,356 Joined: 7-September 06 From: San Dimas, CA Member No.: 6,794 Region Association: Southern California
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| 912e owner |
Jun 4 2018, 04:46 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 3-June 18 From: pittsburgh Member No.: 22,185 Region Association: None |
QUOTE Where in the 'burgh do you live? I have a condo in Sewickley, work in Plum. Are you planning to bring your 912 to the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix? I'll be bringing my 930 to the car show at Schenley Park on Sat 7/14. Hi - live near Greensburg actually - yes taking the 912 to the show - and maybe also to the show at PIT raceway the week before where the fast VGP cars are! FRank |
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| 912e owner |
Jun 4 2018, 04:51 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 3-June 18 From: pittsburgh Member No.: 22,185 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Philip W. @ Jun 3 2018, 09:04 PM) QUOTE(912e owner @ Jun 3 2018, 06:25 PM) Thanks for the help so far guys - hope to see it on the ground later this week and will get some pics - first time I have seen the bottom of a car first - one question - I noticed that it had 2 exhaust tips which had yellow stripes around the chrome tips - this cannot be original is it? - i only have one exhaust out of my engine thanks for the help that sounds like a Monza. the 75 and 76 models had some very restrictive catalytic converters and heat exchangers. the stock muffler I think was Bursch, but mine came with a Monza and the original HE which were badly rusted out. it was the first thing I did other than sort the FI( which will be d-jetronic Bosch on the 2.0. I have an after market Triad but if I were getting one today I would back date the HE to a earlier year HE and add a stainless muffler from Tangernie Racing-Chris Foley. There are other options but look close at your exhaust and make sure those original HE are not leaking- that is if the original ones are actually still there. Maybe those have already been changed out. Picutres would help. Thanks so much - will check it out this weekI hope! frank Phil |
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| EdwardBlume |
Jun 4 2018, 04:55 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California
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QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Jun 3 2018, 07:59 PM) You had me at no leaks and no rust. However, You do need to do a through inspection on the lift looking at all the usual spots (hell hole, longs, underside mostly, the trunks are easy). He is a dealer ask him to make you a deal you can't refuse. The inspection is the real key, they all have some rust. Just make sure it is minimal. No rust is a unicorn. It's a 76 the production is limited, but not necessarily the most desirable of all. It's not bone stock with that exhaust, and you should research what it would cost you locally to make it bone stock. That's a good place to start. It's not an unfair price, or maybe still a bargain, but bone stock and rust free are embellishments to the truth. By the way I have 912E with sunroof (my wife does anyhow). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) It may be a 20K car, but not with $8K of work needing to be done. Cars sit in garages for reasons and these cars weren't built to last forever. That said, if you do your due diligence, you can make a complete list of work to do and costs and make the decision based on professional advice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) |
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| Shadowfax |
Jun 4 2018, 09:00 AM
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Show us the meaning of haste Group: Members Posts: 509 Joined: 19-January 15 Member No.: 18,340 Region Association: South East States
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| Tdskip |
Jun 4 2018, 12:09 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,686 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(Edward Blume @ Jun 4 2018, 05:55 AM) QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Jun 3 2018, 07:59 PM) You had me at no leaks and no rust. However, You do need to do a through inspection on the lift looking at all the usual spots (hell hole, longs, underside mostly, the trunks are easy). He is a dealer ask him to make you a deal you can't refuse. The inspection is the real key, they all have some rust. Just make sure it is minimal. No rust is a unicorn. It's a 76 the production is limited, but not necessarily the most desirable of all. It's not bone stock with that exhaust, and you should research what it would cost you locally to make it bone stock. That's a good place to start. It's not an unfair price, or maybe still a bargain, but bone stock and rust free are embellishments to the truth. By the way I have 912E with sunroof (my wife does anyhow). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) It may be a 20K car, but not with $8K of work needing to be done. Cars sit in garages for reasons and these cars weren't built to last forever. That said, if you do your due diligence, you can make a complete list of work to do and costs and make the decision based on professional advice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) This is wise counsel. |
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| 912e owner |
Jun 9 2018, 07:20 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 3-June 18 From: pittsburgh Member No.: 22,185 Region Association: None |
Here are some pics from yesterday - 48,83 miles - stored since 2004 - no rust - PO was enthusiast as shown by all of the shop manuals in the trunk and catalogs - mechanic turned the engine over but will not stay running as could be fuel pump - orig Blau radio even - please comment - do I buy it for 15-20K once running!
Have more pics and will post later Thanks - Frank Attached image(s)      
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| 912e owner |
Jun 9 2018, 07:26 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 3-June 18 From: pittsburgh Member No.: 22,185 Region Association: None |
Couple more!
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| 914Sixer |
Jun 9 2018, 07:36 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,882 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region
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I don't see any center console, no fog lights, no sway bars, aftermarket exhaust and looks like reproduction Fuchs. Tells me that it is a base 2.0, sold for around $7500. +1 on the color and low miles (if validated by records). My start would be $10K. My final price would be $12-13K.
Going to take $1k for parts and labor to replace pump, go through fuel system, tune up,and clean injectors. Brakes may need attention, calipers don't like setting that long. Rockers need to be pulled and checked too. |
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