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Front Sway bar, Front sway bar |
Dave_Darling |
Jun 28 2018, 09:35 AM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,981 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
I am looking for a 15mm set up, but can't seem to locate one. Looks like most are 19mm All of the commonly-available aftermarket bars are 19mm or larger. Most are adjustable so you can make them work like a stock 15mm bar would, or make them more effective, or less. AFAIK, the stock bar is the only common one that is 15mm. Elephant does not require welding but does require drilling holes in your front fenders. Almost none of the kits require welding. They all require drilling holes in the fenders (except the under-body bars, which are less effective and not adjustable and kind of a pain to work with, but are cheap to make). Welding the backing plates in will make them stronger and less prone to tearing the fenders at the holes. I don't think there are rubber bushings available for the Elephant bars. They use "pillow block" bearings which allow free smooth rotation, at the expense of some extra NVH. Not sure what would be causing the creaks in your case, but it might be a good idea to make sure that there is nothing binding in the setup. --DD |
John |
Jun 28 2018, 09:41 AM
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member? what's a member? Group: Members Posts: 3,393 Joined: 30-January 04 From: Evansville, IN (SIRPCA) Member No.: 1,615 Region Association: None |
Probably a stupid question, but do all of the front sway bar products require welding to the chassis? My car did not come with sway bars. Thanks Elephant does not require welding but does require drilling holes in your front fenders. That said I have said Efalant sway bar and am being driven nuckin futs by the way it squeaks. Replaced the plastic bushing and still squeaks. Added lithium grease infused with Teflon, still squeaks. Am ready to ditch it since Chuck won’t answer my question about creating a rubber bushing as a replacement. Any suggestions on a replacement? Stock sway? Who sells these? If you are sure your sway bar is squeaking, check to make sure your gas tank isn't sitting on the sway bar causing the squeaking. You may need another pad under your tank to allow space for the swaybar if it was installed slightly too high or the rubber spacer blocks for the tank aren't thick enough or in the proper location any longer. I found one like this and the squeaking was rather annoying. |
ConeDodger |
Jun 28 2018, 09:49 AM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,573 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California |
Probably a stupid question, but do all of the front sway bar products require welding to the chassis? My car did not come with sway bars. Thanks Elephant does not require welding but does require drilling holes in your front fenders. That said I have said Efalant sway bar and am being driven nuckin futs by the way it squeaks. Replaced the plastic bushing and still squeaks. Added lithium grease infused with Teflon, still squeaks. Am ready to ditch it since Chuck won’t answer my question about creating a rubber bushing as a replacement. Any suggestions on a replacement? Stock sway? Who sells these? If you are sure your sway bar is squeaking, check to make sure your gas tank isn't sitting on the sway bar causing the squeaking. You may need another pad under your tank to allow space for the swaybar if it was installed slightly too high or the rubber spacer blocks for the tank aren't thick enough or in the proper location any longer. I found one like this and the squeaking was rather annoying. ^^^ this. You’re most likely sitting on your sway bar. |
frostyf |
Nov 7 2019, 12:18 PM
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Mikey914 |
Nov 7 2019, 12:23 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,649 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
Thanks All I am looking for a 15mm set up, but can't seem to locate one. Looks like most are 19mm I have a stock 15mm set up. It needs refinishing and new bushings. $250 + ship. Got new bushings for the stock https://900designs-container.zoeysite.com/f...-body-bushing-1 |
iankarr |
Nov 7 2019, 12:58 PM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,472 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
Yes those tabs on your A-arms look correct.
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fixer34 |
Nov 8 2019, 11:27 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,076 Joined: 16-September 14 From: Chicago area Member No.: 17,908 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Posted these on another thread about 914-6 'features', but since the topic is relevant. Anyone familiar with this sway bar style? (I can pull the wheel to get better pictures). It was on the car when I bought it 42 yrs ago. No rear sway bar, and while I don't know any history of the car previously, I would think any PO that went to the trouble to add a sway bar would have made other modifications also, but the car was bone stock.
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dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Nov 8 2019, 11:31 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,832 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
usually the brackets are already on the a arms, but the inner fender well triangles are never there. Weltmeister used to make a bolt in kit, we probably still have a few of them on the shelf, but Rose Passion in France bought all of the weltmeister stuff and probably has them available
quote name='simonjb' date='Jun 18 2018, 02:03 PM' post='2620826'] Probably a stupid question, but do all of the front sway bar products require welding to the chassis? My car did not come with sway bars. Thanks [/quote] |
Jamie |
Nov 8 2019, 12:20 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,025 Joined: 13-October 04 From: Georgetown,KY Member No.: 2,939 Region Association: South East States |
Posted these on another thread about 914-6 'features', but since the topic is relevant. Anyone familiar with this sway bar style? (I can pull the wheel to get better pictures). It was on the car when I bought it 42 yrs ago. No rear sway bar, and while I don't know any history of the car previously, I would think any PO that went to the trouble to add a sway bar would have made other modifications also, but the car was bone stock. This looks to be an original sway bar installation. |
jcd914 |
Nov 8 2019, 03:09 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,081 Joined: 7-February 08 From: Sacramento, CA Member No.: 8,684 Region Association: Northern California |
Posted these on another thread about 914-6 'features', but since the topic is relevant. Anyone familiar with this sway bar style? (I can pull the wheel to get better pictures). It was on the car when I bought it 42 yrs ago. No rear sway bar, and while I don't know any history of the car previously, I would think any PO that went to the trouble to add a sway bar would have made other modifications also, but the car was bone stock. All stock front sway bar parts shown here. The fact it has no rear bar means the PO either removed the rear (fairly common) or installed a stock front bar. Look in the rear for the sway bar brackets on the body. Jim |
fixer34 |
Nov 8 2019, 05:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,076 Joined: 16-September 14 From: Chicago area Member No.: 17,908 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Posted these on another thread about 914-6 'features', but since the topic is relevant. Anyone familiar with this sway bar style? (I can pull the wheel to get better pictures). It was on the car when I bought it 42 yrs ago. No rear sway bar, and while I don't know any history of the car previously, I would think any PO that went to the trouble to add a sway bar would have made other modifications also, but the car was bone stock. All stock front sway bar parts shown here. The fact it has no rear bar means the PO either removed the rear (fairly common) or installed a stock front bar. Look in the rear for the sway bar brackets on the body. Jim I'll check the back, but don't remember anything 'orphaned' being there. I know there isn't a rear bar. What's confusing is I'm also hearing there was no 'stock' sway bar on '70 models, yet here one is. |
mepstein |
Nov 8 2019, 07:30 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,253 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I'm having trouble finding a pic I posted about two years ago of the front swaybar opening and triangle mount on the wheel well. The stock factory mount is different from what is commonly used to mount a bar. If I remember correctly, the factory did not weld a plate on the inside of the wheel well or if they did, they spot welded, not miged the edge. Whatever it was, it was easy to tell factory bar vs one added later.
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mepstein |
Nov 8 2019, 07:40 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,253 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
OK, found it. As you can see, the stock factory mount is very different from one that is added later, even though many 914's without factory sway bars have the A arm mounts from the factory.
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fixer34 |
Nov 10 2019, 02:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,076 Joined: 16-September 14 From: Chicago area Member No.: 17,908 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Well it appears that is what I have. I would assume at this point it was dealer installed, and only the front, if it was not a factory option. With the gas tank installed, I can't see the inside to match up. I looked in the rear and there are no traces of a sway bar having been there.
Any ideas about replacement rubber bushings? |
914werke |
Nov 10 2019, 03:42 PM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,034 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Hard to tell from the pic but those links look ..long.. like 911/912 units.
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Mark Henry |
Nov 10 2019, 06:46 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Hard to tell from the pic but those links look ..long.. like 911/912 units. Yes the 911/912 drop links are longer, but an easy fix with a hacksaw and a MIG welder. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) |
mepstein |
Nov 10 2019, 07:00 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,253 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
914rubber has the bushings.
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rhodyguy |
Nov 10 2019, 10:32 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,071 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Start spraying everything down with a penetrant. Plan on new hardware for the drop links.
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nathanxnathan |
Jun 29 2022, 02:50 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 274 Joined: 16-February 18 From: Laguna Beach, CA Member No.: 21,899 Region Association: Southern California |
Resurrecting this thread because I'm thinking about adding a stock front swaybar that I've had sitting around. At a G&R swapmeet many years ago I picked up a set of brackets that look a lot like these Elephant ones
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.elephantracing.com-21899-1656535807.1.jpg) They're all black maybe powdercoated though. I looked at a wayback machine how-to on Pelicanparts, that showed cutting a notch in the inner to let the bottom point of the bracket go through, and I've always thought that must be hard to do well — I've never seen it done where it doesn't look a bit butchered. Searching for how a factory installed sway bar mount (shown above in this thread), I am surprised it's welded from the outside only. It makes sense, I mean if the bracket is there to avoid tearing the fender sheet metal, as a reinforcement. The way they do it in the Pelican article, there's no way to weld below the area that you cut the slot for. Why not just drill the center hole and holes for the 3 nuts like the factory did and weld the bracket on/from the outside? Wouldn't this be stronger and cleaner than the cut slot method? I see the 914ltd version that has the top 2 nuts inside, the bottom 1 outside. The factory setup just seems really clean though. |
Literati914 |
Jun 29 2022, 04:20 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,443 Joined: 16-November 06 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 7,222 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Honestly, I think this is just a case of 'there's more than one way to skin a cat'... and probably most don't even realize it could be done as the factory apparently did it. It is a clean method, but for me (at least on my current project) I like having the heavy/thick bracket on the inside - 'cause that way it sandwiches the thin sheetmetal (from the body) between inside bracket and outside mount. I've actually even wondered how necessary the bracket being welded was, when putting the bracket inside the tank cavity... I'm mean the metal sandwich is under torque from 3 nut/bolts/lock washers each side.
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