John Kelly's first workshop was in NorCal..., so we now have the bragging rights... |
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John Kelly's first workshop was in NorCal..., so we now have the bragging rights... |
lapuwali |
Jun 13 2005, 11:46 AM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
The wheels themselves run about $400-500 a set. The frame could be made easily enough (esp. for portability). The clamping yoke would be something of a hurdle. Mssr. Kelly's custom made unit used a surplus Boeing worm drive (probably off a rudder or elevator drive), but those aren't exactly readily available.
I believe they're about a grand fully made for the lowend units, which are only portable if you have 2-3 guys to muscle it in and out of a pickup. |
Mueller |
Jun 13 2005, 11:56 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
not a bad idea.....they sell different kits, I would think the kit with just the wheels would be the most economical and the frame can be put together with scrap material.... |
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Porcharu |
Jun 13 2005, 12:59 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 3,518 Region Association: Northern California |
I was thinking about Johns e-wheel setup on the way to work, I think it would be pretty easy to make a really portable unit with some minor tweeks to Johns unique design. The most obvious would be to bolt it together so it could be broke down and transported or stored away easily.
I was also thinking now would be a good time to look at a group buy of some nice hammers and shot bags. It was a great workshop, a lot more can learned in a hands on environment than watching a video - simple things like how much physical work beating a shrink into a piece of scrap of 20g sheet is. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/pray.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/pray.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer3.gif) |
neo914-6 |
Jun 13 2005, 12:59 PM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
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Andyrew |
Jun 13 2005, 01:35 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
Felix. I was thinking the same thing... I looked at that kit today and wanted to get it....
I will be making some kind of an english wheel to do the fenders with... This will be quality buddy!!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
neo914-6 |
Jun 13 2005, 03:25 PM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
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John Kelly |
Jun 14 2005, 04:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 692 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Moclips WA. Member No.: 640 |
Just got home...1800 miles round trip. I had a lot of fun doing the workshop. The interest level, great questions, and feedback I got were amazing. It is very rewarding to have such intense interest in the work. I also learned a few things that will hopefully make the next one better. I must publicly thank Felix for his encouragement, and help in making this happen. I would not have been able to afford the trip without his help. Also Tony at TC Design was very generous supplying the great workspace free of charge, and refreshments to boot! I hope he will get some business from this. And thanks to everyone of the 914club members who came to listen to me blather on. What a great bunch of folks! I participate in half a dozen or so forums, but this one takes the cake. What is it about 914 folks that makes them really interested, and passionate about their cars and what can be done with them? Thanks guys!
John www.ghiaspecialties.com |
lapuwali |
Jun 14 2005, 04:58 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
That's easy. Everyone hates our cars but us... |
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redshift |
Jun 14 2005, 05:40 PM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
Someone has code on this page that light up my firewall.
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scotty b |
Jun 14 2005, 06:23 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
The "worm drive" you refer to is typically nothing more than a length of Acme thread. I used a piece from a house jack for my wheel. House jack is approx. $15.00 at Lowes Attached image(s) |
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neo914-6 |
Jun 14 2005, 07:58 PM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
Hard to tell with that packaging...
Let's see some of your work, Scott! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
neo914-6 |
Jun 14 2005, 08:35 PM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
John, You're very welcome! I hope you and Karla had as good a time as we did. My old school thinking has come a long way from "pound it close enough to get within a 1/4" of bondo." (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) More people need to see you work the metal and get their hands it. Who kept this "Metal Shaping" secret for so long? Yes the cost is time and patience but we all need more of that. Keep the craft alive... I will have the first painted and running 914 with your flares. Don't tell Zack yet. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) |
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John Kelly |
Jun 16 2005, 02:19 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 692 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Moclips WA. Member No.: 640 |
Put together a quicky album with some more pictures...I'm thinking about 3/4s of the folks there were 914 clubbers:
http://allshops.org/cgi-bin/community/comm...d=9980196100423 What's this 914guru stuff below my name? Is that because I made it to 500? Can't stand the pressure! John www.ghiaspecialties.com |
Andyrew |
Jun 16 2005, 02:22 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
Anyone find a good deal on english wheel stuff? Im gona be needing it by next month...
Andrew |
Andyrew |
Jun 16 2005, 03:30 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
Ok, just did a little research... Heres what I found.. (based on the websites that John presented us with!)
http://metalcrafttools.com/Benchengwheel.html I think will give us the best deal on all the junk together... "Industrial Strength" Bench-Model English Wheel "Kit" consists of: Upper Yoke $35.00 Lower Yoke $60.00 Upper wheel & axle $95.00 Tube Shaft Assy/w kick wheel $60.00 4 Lower anvils w/bearings & axles $300.00 TOTAL $550.00* S&H additional This includes plans to construct the frame, but does not include any frame material. " This would give us a huge start and basically will get rid of all the hard parts. 550 seems to be a very good price for all those items, but maybe someone contacting the buisness asking for a group buy? I dont know if we could get more than 5 people interested though. Metal stock would be another $100.... at least. What do you guys think? |
neo914-6 |
Jun 16 2005, 04:26 PM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
I'm in for part of the costs. Anyone else?
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John Kelly |
Jun 16 2005, 05:28 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 692 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Moclips WA. Member No.: 640 |
Just a couple of thoughts..the link above for the benchtop wheel goes to a great company that has been around for a long time. Another is: www.imperialwheelingmachines.com check out the parts he sells for do-it-yourselfers including parts to adjust the pressure between the wheels.
I like a 3" wide upper and lower wheels unless you are making small parts, then 2" wide is fine. The rectangular frame I brought to the workshop is the easiest english wheel frame to make. If I made another that was meant to be non-portable, I would make it it taller for more clearance inside the frame, and make the cradles turn 90 degrees for smoothing unusual panels without clearance problems. To save money, I would suggest getting fewer of the best quality lower anvil wheels you can get. One or two of the lowest crown wheels can do a lot of great smoothing, or you could skip over the number two...get a #1 and a #3 for a little more flexibilty. The best lower anvils have a flat spot in the middle with the sides sloping away for clearance and support of the panel...wider flats for the lower crown wheels and thinner as they get a higher crown in them. A lot more information available at: www.metalshapers.org www.metalmeet.com John www.ghiaspecialties.com |
Jakester |
Jun 16 2005, 05:39 PM
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lurking instead of working Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 18-May 05 From: Palo Alto, CA Member No.: 4,097 |
I might be in for costs if we could consider planting this thing (at least part of the time) at the shop former known as "Brad Robert's space" in Redwood City. That is assuming, of course, that the shop deal ends up working out, which is still up in the air.
I didn't attend JK's workshop and am completely unfamiliar with metalshaping as an art form. Is this tool something that is considered "precision"? or does it fall on the other end of the spectrum as "gorilla-proof"? I'm wondering if it can be easily damaged and so a shop setting might not be best for the longevity of the tool? |
neo914-6 |
Jun 16 2005, 06:54 PM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
I think someone could reserve it for a month or two and transport it in a truck or large trunk depending on how it disassembled. I'd worry about damaging other things or digits in the shop (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) If the wheel did get damaged it would mark on the sheet metal...It is tough and simple. If you haven't already, invest in John's DVD and wait for his next one released this summer. |
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Mueller |
Jun 16 2005, 07:25 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
I'm going to have to pass on getting in on a group purchase right now...got "other" things to buy (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)
so I was thinking...if one wanted to make a homebuilt unit and not worry too much about the life of the upper wheel, a /4 front brake hub could be used if one removed the rotor section, just polish it up nice....at least one bottom anvil could be made from a used rear wheel bearing (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/welder.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif) |
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