 Factory mettalic paint, Did they skimp on clearcoat? |
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| bbrock |
 Jul 29 2018, 09:33 AM
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914 Guru  Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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I've been working on blasting and stripping my silver metallic '73 chassis to bare metal, I've been paying attention to the factory paint as I work. I've noticed the paint inside the cockpit, fuel tank compartment, under the cowl, and engine bay is thin and not at all glossy. This is true even in areas that have been well protected from sun and rain so show no signs of fade or weathering. I'm thinking that on these 2-stage metallics, maybe the factory spayed the whole chassis with base coat but only bothered to spray clear on areas that would be visible. Anyone have any insight on this? Am I just making it up?
I'm just curious, it won't affect how I paint. I'll probably do single stage on those areas but if I did 2-stage, I don't think I could bring myself to spare the clear coat. |
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| Tom_T |
Jul 29 2018, 02:03 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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IMHO that's highly likely, since even the single stage colors in those areas tend to be somewhat thin & inconsistent coverage too.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
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| Racer |
Aug 14 2018, 06:00 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 787 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Northern Virginia Member No.: 1,073 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
These cars were painted at Karmann.. so they were done to a price point... I would expect minimal coverage on non showing areas of the car
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| DRPHIL914 |
Aug 16 2018, 09:35 AM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,756 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States
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I wouldn't be surprised, my car is copper metallic, and recently repainted and the areasthat got a bit of overspray with out clear, or were missed, were dull like that as well. I would think you would want the clear for the extra protection of the metallic base coat no matter where it was, but factory cutting corners to save $$, not surprised.
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| 76-914 |
Sep 18 2018, 09:56 AM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,482 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California
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I don't believe we started using 2 stage until the 80's. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) That dull look can be a result of application. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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| bbrock |
Sep 19 2018, 09:08 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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QUOTE(76-914 @ Sep 18 2018, 09:56 AM)  I don't believe we started using 2 stage until the 80's. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) That dull look can be a result of application. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) It's my understanding that metallic colors were 2 stage while all the solids were single stage even back in the 70s. Someone on the Samba claimed that VW started offering 2 stage metallic in 1969 and that included the 914, and someone on The Bird said Porsche offered the first clear coat metallic in 1968. The paint sticker on the left door jamb reads "two-coat-metallic" for the metallic colors. I guess two-coat doesn't necessarily mean a clear coat, but that makes the most sense to me. Anyone care to shine some light on this mystery? |
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| rgalla9146 |
Nov 24 2018, 04:21 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,544 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Paramus NJ Member No.: 5,176 Region Association: None
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A bit OT but the early VW/Porsche metallic paint was known for clear coat failures.
Weren't there lawsuits ? |
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| davep |
Nov 24 2018, 05:37 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,137 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada  |
I believe that the 1969 silver metallic was a two coat system; so starting in 1968 calendar year. The silver metallic went through many revisions over the years; most so than any color I know. Many of the metallics had code changes (formula changes) in the 1970's.
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| Cal |
Nov 24 2018, 07:46 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 614 Joined: 19-November 14 From: Philadelphia Member No.: 18,138 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(rgalla9146 @ Nov 24 2018, 05:21 PM) A bit OT but the early VW/Porsche metallic paint was known for clear coat failures. Weren't there lawsuits ? My silver metallic was reportly repainted because of clear coat failure.....the trunks and door jambs are still original paint. Attached thumbnail(s)   
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| Pat Garvey |
Nov 24 2018, 09:47 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(Cal @ Nov 24 2018, 07:46 PM) QUOTE(rgalla9146 @ Nov 24 2018, 05:21 PM) A bit OT but the early VW/Porsche metallic paint was known for clear coat failures. Weren't there lawsuits ? My silver metallic was reportly repainted because of clear coat failure.....the trunks and door jambs are still original paint. Ahhh! Another of the rare Ziebarted 914's. There aren't many of us left. |
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| bbrock |
Nov 24 2018, 09:56 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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QUOTE(davep @ Nov 24 2018, 04:37 PM) Many of the metallics had code changes (formula changes) in the 1970's. Along this note, I recently bought PPG paint to respray my metallic silver. The paint formulas for L 96 D are different between Porsche and VW. |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Nov 25 2018, 10:03 AM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,470 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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QUOTE Ahhh! Another of the rare Ziebarted 914's. There aren't many of us left. HE's ALIVE......! How have you been Pat? What are you up to these days? |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Nov 25 2018, 10:09 AM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,470 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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To the question, I have this 1972 factory document which is also on my 914 Classics 'Rare Document' webpage:
Attached image(s)  Attached File(s) 
zRareDoc31A.pdf ( 191.64k )
Number of downloads: 74 |
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