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EdwardBlume
post Sep 3 2018, 02:32 PM
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The ABM needs a new top. The prior one I had restored is early vs late. This time I’m going to do it myself.

I picked up a late top at the swap yesterday.

What are the 4 stages and products from wheeler dealer? I need to paint it for sure due to aging, scratches, dings and chips.

Also, what is this seal on the rear inside. It is chalky and old. Needs replacement.


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post Sep 3 2018, 02:34 PM
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The top during cleaning. Lots of crap n crud.


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post Sep 3 2018, 06:59 PM
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Clean, clean, and clean again. Many years ago some guys were using black shoe polish. Not me though. I am guilty of Armorall though.

I've had a roof that I just couldn't get a good coat of paint, without problems. I personally hadn't Armorall'd that particular one, but I think it was probably shoe polish or silicone that had permeated the fiberglass. I bet I cleaned that thing 10 times with Prep-Sol and another 10 times with Klix, as well as several soap and water scrubbings.
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post Sep 3 2018, 07:45 PM
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Has anyone tried wrapping it? I think it might look cool wrapped it carbon fiber, or black,or even color matched to the car??? Seems like a inexpensive and reasonable solution.
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post Sep 3 2018, 08:31 PM
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I've wiped it with Simple Green 10 times so far. I finally got to the point where no more black stuff came up.
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post Sep 3 2018, 08:45 PM
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Damn good looking Oly blue in the background!
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post Sep 3 2018, 10:19 PM
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Glad you made that deal. Have you tried forever black ??
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post Sep 4 2018, 02:09 AM
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Has anyone tried wrapping it? I think it might look cool wrapped it carbon fiber, or black,or even color matched to the car??? Seems like a inexpensive and reasonable solution.


Smoothed out and painted body color has been done to lots of 914’s. If I had an extra top I’d give carbon fiber wrap a try. I think it might look good.
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post Sep 4 2018, 06:34 AM
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Glad you made that deal. Have you tried forever black ??


Thanks for your help!

Its got about 20 points of chips, wear, and dings that I have to deal with to bring it back, but the corners are good! so I'm going to primer it, rubberize coat repair, prime again, and paint it. We will see.

I'm going to do a final acetone clean prior as well.
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post Sep 4 2018, 06:40 AM
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Has anyone tried wrapping it? I think it might look cool wrapped it carbon fiber, or black,or even color matched to the car??? Seems like a inexpensive and reasonable solution.


I tried wrapping mine, and due to the surface, the wrap would never stick to the targa top properly. Now, I will admit that I didn't sand the surface flat, and that would have helped, but like Perry (I believe it was him, not going back to check) said, something gets into and permeates that top and nothing is going to stick
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post Sep 4 2018, 10:25 AM
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I plasti-dipped mine in black. Came out nice.
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QUOTE(bmtrnavsky @ Sep 3 2018, 05:45 PM) *

Has anyone tried wrapping it? I think it might look cool wrapped it carbon fiber, or black,or even color matched to the car??? Seems like an inexpensive and reasonable solution.


Smoothed out and painted body color has been done to lots of 914’s. If I had an extra top I’d give carbon fiber wrap a try. I think it might look good.


My top actually looks really good. I have been considering it on mine though along with the front and rear valance and the rocker panels. I just think with my Saturn yellow it would look really cool. Kind of a modern retro look. I also thought about wrapping the sail in Carbon and carrying that over into the dash. Obviously, I'd do a full repaint in yellow first... but a nice clean touch in my opinion.
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post Sep 4 2018, 11:54 AM
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If you paint it, it will scuff when it gets stored in the trunk. Some guys have two. Painted and oem.
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post Sep 4 2018, 12:57 PM
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If you paint it, it will scuff when it gets stored in the trunk. Some guys have two. Painted and oem.


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Absolutely agree. I have seen some guys carry around a towel in their trunk and cover the top before closing the trunk. That way the trunk lid rubs against the towel. Not sure I'd be comfortable with that.

I wonder if this happens because guys aren't sanding the textured paint off the top, instead maybe just sanding it down some and using a filler (filler primer?) to get the surface of the top smooth. That would introduce a thicker overall coating thickness of course...and then you'd be putting even more paint on with your color coat.

There doesn't seem to be an issue with the factory paint rubbing that I'm aware of. Maybe the engineers just had some really close tolerances between the trunk lid and the top when it was stored. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Sep 4 2018, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE(Rob-O @ Sep 4 2018, 02:57 PM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ Sep 4 2018, 09:54 AM) *

If you paint it, it will scuff when it gets stored in the trunk. Some guys have two. Painted and oem.


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Absolutely agree. I have seen some guys carry around a towel in their trunk and cover the top before closing the trunk. That way the trunk lid rubs against the towel. Not sure I'd be comfortable with that.

I wonder if this happens because guys aren't sanding the textured paint off the top, instead maybe just sanding it down some and using a filler (filler primer?) to get the surface of the top smooth. That would introduce a thicker overall coating thickness of course...and then you'd be putting even more paint on with your color coat.

There doesn't seem to be an issue with the factory paint rubbing that I'm aware of. Maybe the engineers just had some really close tolerances between the trunk lid and the top when it was stored. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I meant at the hold down clips.
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post Sep 4 2018, 05:42 PM
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I may end up having a project car and have been thinking about this but remembered from my previous 914 ownerships that the top seemed to rub the bottom side of the trunk when stowed. You could see it best in the crossmember paint as opposed to the top itself due to the relatively flat finish of the top. As much as I'd like to do a painted top I have not been able to figure out how it would be kept unscathed....
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post Sep 4 2018, 06:48 PM
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If I don't paint it, then what do I do with it? Put 914world stickers all over it?
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Sep 4 2018, 11:24 AM) *

QUOTE(Rob-O @ Sep 4 2018, 02:57 PM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ Sep 4 2018, 09:54 AM) *

If you paint it, it will scuff when it gets stored in the trunk. Some guys have two. Painted and oem.


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Absolutely agree. I have seen some guys carry around a towel in their trunk and cover the top before closing the trunk. That way the trunk lid rubs against the towel. Not sure I'd be comfortable with that.

I wonder if this happens because guys aren't sanding the textured paint off the top, instead maybe just sanding it down some and using a filler (filler primer?) to get the surface of the top smooth. That would introduce a thicker overall coating thickness of course...and then you'd be putting even more paint on with your color coat.

There doesn't seem to be an issue with the factory paint rubbing that I'm aware of. Maybe the engineers just had some really close tolerances between the trunk lid and the top when it was stored. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I meant at the hold down clips.


Seen that quite often too...
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post Sep 14 2018, 07:52 PM
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So you guys scared me out of painting it, so I ordered black rubberized spray, and forever black.....

Cleaned it thoroughly with simple green and acetone.

Thought I was a genius after 2 applications, but by applications 4-5 I had some awful streaking and swirls going on.

Tested some really old black chrome on it and got this....


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