 400K transmission woes, Failure on the way home from Okteenerfest |
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| ClayPerrine |
 Sep 22 2018, 01:36 PM
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Life's been good to me so far.....  Group: Admin Posts: 15,401 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille 
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After leaving the hotel in Vicksburg on the second day of the way home, the 400K transmission in Betty's car let go. It was spectacular. It looked like the race cars you see on TV blowing an engine, a HUGE cloud of smoke behind it. We pulled off and looked underneath. The input shaft seal on the trans let go.
Well, this morning I pulled the trans and disassembled it. It is more than just the seal....    The input shaft bearing failed. There is damage to the threads on the input shaft so I have to replace it. What isn't pictured is the damage to the ring and pinion when something went between them. So I have to replace the pair too. Here's what it's going to take. Input shaft Ring gear Pinion gear input shaft bearing Input shaft seal Gasket kit. And time setting up the ring and pinion in this trans case. Yes, I will be reusing the trans case, tail cover, and as much of the original trans as possible. Betty wants it to be as original as possible. I have all the parts, bearings and seals already here, so tomorrow I get to clean and reassemble the gear stack. I have a differential and matched pinion shaft, and plenty of input shafts, so I am all set. It is just a bunch of work that I wasn't planning on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) |
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| rick 918-S |
Sep 22 2018, 01:44 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,416 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region 
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Got your money's worth from that one.
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| Coondog |
Sep 22 2018, 01:46 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,089 Joined: 24-September 15 From: Apple Valley Calif Member No.: 19,195 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Sep 22 2018, 12:44 PM)  Got your money's worth from that one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
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| bdstone914 |
Sep 22 2018, 02:07 PM
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bdstone914 Group: Members Posts: 4,512 Joined: 8-November 03 From: Riverside CA Member No.: 1,319 |
I think you qualify postumously for the jack stand award.
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| IronHillRestorations |
Sep 22 2018, 05:08 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,714 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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That stinks. How'd you get it home?
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| DennisO |
Sep 22 2018, 05:38 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 9-June 17 From: Clayton, NC Member No.: 21,162 Region Association: South East States
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Bummer about the damage, but you definitely got a lot of miles out of it.
Just curious, how do you set up the tranny's R&P? Do you have the special tools, or is there another way to do it? |
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| ClayPerrine |
Sep 22 2018, 06:08 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,401 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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QUOTE(IronHillRestorations @ Sep 22 2018, 06:08 PM) That stinks. How'd you get it home? We had Elwood, the blue six, up on a trailer. We dropped Elwood off the trailer, and put Frody on it. Gassed up Elwood, and she drove it home. QUOTE(DennisO @ Sep 22 2018, 06:38 PM) Bummer about the damage, but you definitely got a lot of miles out of it. Just curious, how do you set up the tranny's R&P? Do you have the special tools, or is there another way to do it? Prussian blue on the ring gear, spin the transmission, open it back up and check the mesh pattern. Repeat until you get it right. Here's a picture of the pattern....  |
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| ClayPerrine |
Sep 23 2018, 04:30 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,401 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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I spent today assembling the gear stack. All new sliders, syncros, dog teeth and bearings. Finished up by setting the shift linkage up in the cutaway trans case.
Probably won't get anything more done until we get back from Rennsport. |
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| ClayPerrine |
Oct 14 2018, 04:43 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,401 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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Finished up Betty's transmission today. With all the travelling about the country, I have not had time to get out to the garage to finish it. All new guts in the same old case. Bearings, syncros, differental, ring and pinion, everything but the output flanges were replaced.
Got done about 4:15. Took it for a short test drive, and it ran and shifted great. At 400K, the old trans was whining a bit. The rebuild fixed the whine, and it fixed the worn second gear syncro. Off for another trip tonight. This was is to Denver at 8:30 for business. I am getting tired of travelling so much. Okteenerfest, Rennsport, Hallett club race, now Denver. Too bad we don't have a dragging ass smiley. |
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| pete000 |
Oct 14 2018, 05:27 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,885 Joined: 23-August 10 From: Bradenton Florida Member No.: 12,094 Region Association: South East States |
Met the mechanical limits of metal and physics...
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Oct 14 2018, 05:36 PM
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can't remember Group: Members Posts: 3,145 Joined: 3-June 11 From: Madison, WI Member No.: 13,152 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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No, but at least we have someone who has heard the line: “I suggest you put on a tie.”
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Oct 14 2018, 05:36 PM
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can't remember Group: Members Posts: 3,145 Joined: 3-June 11 From: Madison, WI Member No.: 13,152 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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double post
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| 76-914 |
Oct 15 2018, 09:48 AM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,489 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Sep 22 2018, 05:08 PM) QUOTE(IronHillRestorations @ Sep 22 2018, 06:08 PM) That stinks. How'd you get it home? We had Elwood, the blue six, up on a trailer. We dropped Elwood off the trailer, and put Frody on it. Gassed up Elwood, and she drove it home. QUOTE(DennisO @ Sep 22 2018, 06:38 PM) Bummer about the damage, but you definitely got a lot of miles out of it. Just curious, how do you set up the tranny's R&P? Do you have the special tools, or is there another way to do it? Prussian blue on the ring gear, spin the transmission, open it back up and check the mesh pattern. Repeat until you get it right. Here's a picture of the pattern.... When I was a kid I saw a mechanic setting up the rear end. IIRC, he was using some of that old "carbon copy" paper to mesh between the gears. Is this the method you referred to or was your product a spray dye? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
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| Chi-town |
Oct 15 2018, 09:58 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 850 Joined: 31-August 18 From: Disneyland Member No.: 22,446 Region Association: Southern California |
This works nicely and doesn't stain your hands like Prussian Blue
https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Fluid-105235...d/dp/B00BK7MFC8 |
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