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Substandard Parts, Chinese? |
jfort |
Oct 19 2018, 01:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,134 Joined: 5-May 03 From: Findlay, OH Member No.: 652 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
For what it's worth: I was talking to my friend/mechanic yesterday and he mentioned that he was 0 for 2 ordering rod bolts for a six he is rebuilding. They don't fit in the holes and are unacceptable. He spoke to Pelican about it. The manufacture is, get this, "OEM." Other parts are manufactured by "Germany." He surmised that they are Chinese manufacturers and we are being mislead by the name. He finally ordered some from Germany, the country.
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914Sixer |
Oct 19 2018, 01:45 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,870 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region |
You can always use ARP bolts
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Chris914n6 |
Oct 19 2018, 02:03 PM
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Jackstands are my life. Group: Members Posts: 3,305 Joined: 14-March 03 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 431 Region Association: Southwest Region |
On Pelican, OEM is a brand name. I'm sure a bunch of it is Chinese sourced.
Sadly the supply chain has become a crap shoot these days. NOBODY is double checking the product before it's retailed. |
rhodyguy |
Oct 19 2018, 02:18 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,068 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
It's cheaper to take the return than labor $ for QCing the items. Failure/unacceptability rate is built in. Either you're lucky or not. What does Pelican get for a solo bolt?
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mepstein |
Oct 19 2018, 03:01 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,245 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
You can buy directly from Porsche if you want “oem” parts. It’s not all perfect but much more reliable.
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Mark Henry |
Oct 19 2018, 07:21 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
When I was building my 3.0 /6 engine I bought a #8 "german" bearing from a known supplier that was so out of spec (OS) on the ID it was laughable.
I ended up reusing my old #8 as it was in spec. |
Larmo63 |
Oct 19 2018, 07:47 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,264 Joined: 3-March 14 From: San Clemente, Ca Member No.: 17,068 Region Association: Southern California |
Buy ARP and be done with it.
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Larmo63 |
Oct 19 2018, 07:47 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,264 Joined: 3-March 14 From: San Clemente, Ca Member No.: 17,068 Region Association: Southern California |
Buy ARP and be done with it.
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mb911 |
Oct 20 2018, 07:17 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 6,816 Joined: 2-January 09 From: Burlington wi Member No.: 9,892 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Buy ARP and be done with it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) For rods yes plus they are reusable if you like.. |
jfort |
Oct 23 2018, 03:08 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,134 Joined: 5-May 03 From: Findlay, OH Member No.: 652 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I was just looking on line at some other parts place and there, too, is OEM parts.
I think this is a deliberate fraud. I think Pelican and others are part of the fraud and should be required to indicate where the part was manufactured. |
mepstein |
Oct 23 2018, 03:22 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,245 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I was just looking on line at some other parts place and there, too, is OEM parts. I think this is a deliberate fraud. I think Pelican and others are part of the fraud and should be required to indicate where the part was manufactured. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Even the major supplier we buy from just lists it as OEM - because that's the name for the company, not it's actual origin. It would be similar to me calling my company "Real Original Parts" and having them made in China. |
GeorgeRud |
Oct 23 2018, 03:39 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Good to know, I always assumed they were Original Equipment Manufacturer without the Porsche Tax.
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Chris914n6 |
Oct 23 2018, 08:32 PM
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Jackstands are my life. Group: Members Posts: 3,305 Joined: 14-March 03 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 431 Region Association: Southwest Region |
That term is 'oem supplier'.
But then with all the failed leveraged buyouts of European manufactures during the Great Recession, name brand parts might now be from China too. |
Mark Henry |
Oct 24 2018, 07:37 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Good to know, I always assumed they were Original Equipment Manufacturer without the Porsche Tax. Some are, if you notice that the part number is ground off it was actually the Porsche logo that's been removed. For a long time 911 production numbers were so low the scammers ignored the 911, with porsche cars and parts becoming more valuable I think we're seeing the counterfeiters becoming more prevalent. When I can't get factory parts I try for known names, mahle, sachs, etc. |
bulitt |
Oct 24 2018, 07:39 AM
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Achtzylinder Group: Members Posts: 4,188 Joined: 2-October 11 Member No.: 13,632 Region Association: South East States |
Next thing someone will be selling fake cheese under the name "Real" Cheese.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
rhodyguy |
Oct 24 2018, 07:57 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,068 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
shall we call them Velveta?
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Mark Henry |
Oct 24 2018, 09:09 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
All processed cheese is fake cheese.
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Mikey914 |
Oct 24 2018, 09:41 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,640 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
Unfortunately, this is a problem that is proliferating the supply chain. You've seen this with another supplier I shall not name. Which by the way lists themselves as a supplier to Porsche. Wouldn't be surprised it's them.
They spend money on PR to try to make it sound good, but you can be the judge there. |
mepstein |
Oct 24 2018, 09:48 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,245 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I always assumed uro & oem were the same people or get their product from the same manufacturer. Their pricing and parts look the same.
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Mikey914 |
Oct 24 2018, 09:50 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,640 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
They might be, as the Chinese will sell to anyone who pays. We've been able to find sources for some of their parts.
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