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> Has anyone else experienced trouble, with new windshield trim clips breaking?
ChrisFoley
post Nov 1 2018, 02:10 PM
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We have to remove a brand new windshield to replace all the New trim clips made by a popular vendor. They're so brittle they all break as soon as you try to install the trim. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif)
More than 3 hours of labor generated by using substandard parts. Seems unfair to charge my customer and I'm not happy about eating that either, except that I'm the one who recommended the vendor. Never again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Buyer beware. I'm going back to Genuine Porsche.
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post Nov 3 2018, 12:18 PM
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The factory ones to break over time. Many of us have experienced the trim departing the car. I did a little more looking at the instructions and thought about the technique I used to install my last windshield.

My conclusion -
Yes you can use the 9.5mm butyl, but the way I installed it was by leaving the backing on, heating it on low with a heat gun and using a 12" metal ruler to flatten it.

I did it this way because I wanted more surface area to bond to. The net result is a thinner area, but more surface to bond to.

The factory actually says use the 8mm, BUT and here's the interesting part, the factory butyl had a wire that was used to heat it internally to make it more pliable.

The primer is recommended, and I installed without on a clean new windshield. There is actually a better primer made to bond to the glass and react with the butyl specifically that I can get. I'm bringing some in this next week. It would be the best option.

What we are doing -
In the next week we are bringing in some clips from the dealer and evaluating specifically tensile strengths of both and materials. We may have a "better than factory " material available, we just didn't go there initially as these are a pretty simple part, so matching material was the option we chose. Nice thing about making our own parts is that we can change out material at any point.

More as this progresses. Also, any pictures of failure are GREATLY appreciated as the break will tell us about the mode of failure. Mark, did you save any broken ones?
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ChrisFoley   Has anyone else experienced trouble   Nov 1 2018, 02:10 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   the factory trim clips are the only answer, we hav...   Nov 1 2018, 02:20 PM
raynekat   I also have had many trim clips break from a popul...   Nov 1 2018, 03:02 PM
Shadowfax   I broke one when trying to drive it in. Rest seeme...   Nov 1 2018, 03:25 PM
Dave_Darling   If the vendor is one that is responsive to custome...   Nov 1 2018, 05:22 PM
michael7810   I had the same issue but someone told me to test f...   Nov 1 2018, 06:11 PM
mepstein   That sucks. Not a job you want to do 2X.   Nov 1 2018, 06:30 PM
raynekat   That sucks. Not a job you want to do 2X. You c...   Nov 1 2018, 07:54 PM
HansJan   This is concerning. How are the aftermarket parts...   Nov 1 2018, 07:37 PM
raynekat   The clip itself is breaking. And having to shim t...   Nov 1 2018, 07:53 PM
HansJan   @raynekat could this be caused by using the wrong...   Nov 2 2018, 07:49 AM
rhodyguy   While not needing to bash the vendor, it would be ...   Nov 2 2018, 07:54 AM
ChrisFoley   While not needing to bash the vendor, it would be...   Nov 2 2018, 08:08 AM
rhodyguy   It seems anymore OE and OEM can differ. So it...   Nov 2 2018, 08:15 AM
Shadowfax   It seems anymore OE and OEM can differ. So it...   Nov 2 2018, 08:26 AM
mepstein   It seems anymore OE and OEM can differ. So it...   Nov 3 2018, 05:51 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   The factory clips are a bit flexible to allow for ...   Nov 2 2018, 08:19 AM
rhodyguy   Here's an example. Pelican. The less expensive...   Nov 2 2018, 09:17 AM
bbrock   Here's an example. Pelican. The less expensiv...   Nov 2 2018, 09:22 AM
rhodyguy   O.E.M. vs OEM. The portion that presses in is off ...   Nov 2 2018, 10:13 AM
Chi-town   Odd question but what temp is it there when these ...   Nov 2 2018, 11:05 AM
raynekat   Odd question but what temp is it there when these...   Nov 2 2018, 02:22 PM
Mikey914   Lets look at the failure mode on the clips. Is it ...   Nov 2 2018, 10:45 PM
raynekat   I can't speak for others, but this is where mi...   Nov 3 2018, 12:40 AM
michael7810   I can't speak for others, but this is where m...   Nov 4 2018, 06:09 AM
jmitro   thanks for posting this concern; I just installed ...   Nov 3 2018, 05:37 AM
Bartlett 914   Maybe something changed along the way. I have had ...   Nov 3 2018, 08:08 AM
76-914   :popcorn:   Nov 3 2018, 08:21 AM
Mikey914   The factory ones to break over time. Many of us ha...   Nov 3 2018, 12:18 PM
buck toenges   I have used Mark's clips and broke a bunch whi...   Nov 4 2018, 11:35 AM
Mikey914   That's why I'm asking. Please do post up p...   Nov 4 2018, 12:17 PM
jsaum   I’ve been in the plastic injection molding indus...   Nov 4 2018, 05:28 PM
davep   Some of things I would look at is the same materi...   Nov 8 2018, 09:05 PM
DRPHIL914   you can check my build thread I brought this up ba...   Nov 4 2018, 05:58 PM
Mikey914   We did do our gating differently. And we do a a pe...   Nov 4 2018, 08:39 PM
jsaum   We did do our gating differently. And we do a a p...   Nov 8 2018, 10:18 PM
jacksun   HI, Would it be possible to change the geometry of...   Nov 5 2018, 04:23 AM
HansJan   HI, Would it be possible to change the geometry o...   Nov 7 2018, 09:46 AM
ChrisFoley   Original ones are still available at Porsche? ...   Nov 7 2018, 10:15 AM
ChrisFoley   Here are two pics of failed parts, typical of what...   Nov 5 2018, 10:20 AM
raynekat   Similar to the failures on mine.... Here are two...   Nov 5 2018, 10:43 AM
rhodyguy   hard to imagine why the failure occurs in that spe...   Nov 5 2018, 10:56 AM
Mikey914   It appears to be a materials issue. It did shear. ...   Nov 5 2018, 11:40 PM
jsaum   It appears to be a materials issue. It did shear....   Nov 8 2018, 10:05 PM
SteveL   I haven't bought or used any of these windshie...   Nov 6 2018, 07:23 AM
Rob-O   I don’t think nylon would be a good choice. Iâ€...   Nov 8 2018, 11:13 PM
jfort   I posted about this issue earlier with regard to s...   Nov 9 2018, 10:22 AM
rhodyguy   The OEM/O.E.M. thing is weird. The clip listing at...   Nov 9 2018, 10:54 AM
DRPHIL914   [quote name='Mikey914' post='2663179' date='Nov 4...   Nov 9 2018, 11:15 AM
Mikey914   We've done some research on these over the las...   Nov 10 2018, 12:36 PM
raynekat   Yes, it makes sense to offer more than the 19 clip...   Nov 10 2018, 02:04 PM
raynekat   OK....round 3 for the windshield install. This ti...   Nov 13 2018, 11:01 AM
mepstein   OK....round 3 for the windshield install. This t...   Nov 13 2018, 11:10 AM


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