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> 911 Front Suspension, Why?
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post Nov 2 2018, 03:13 PM
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My AutoX car didn't come with sway bars, so I swapped in the 911 arms w/ torsens, ALx and stock under body swaybar.

My Nissan swapped car also didn't come with swaybars, so it got the full Carrera swap but replaced the ALx with the stock steel tube and ran the radiator hoses over it.

I have never heard of the ALx failing in 28 years, and that includes when we cut holes in them for radiator hoses at Renegade.

If you don't need/want stiffer torsen bars then no reason to use 911 arms.
Given the $$ of Alx these days the # per $ isn't worth it.

It was common to buy the whole front susp drop. These days the same money buys just struts and hubs, calipers are a separate expense.
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post Nov 2 2018, 07:48 PM
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I’ve seen six broken aluminum crossmembers in the last 2 years but it’s almost always due to accidents and hard curb hits. The steel ones bend, the alloy ones crack. I’ve seen some corrosion on the alloy ones but not much for their age.
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post Nov 2 2018, 08:14 PM
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post Nov 2 2018, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE(jmitro @ Nov 2 2018, 10:46 AM) *

QUOTE(John @ Nov 2 2018, 12:26 PM) *

You are correct. There is no reason to swap A-Arms or the cross member unless one wants the aluminum cross member. Been running that way with just 911/930 struts/Brakes since 1988.


+1; I'm only using 911 struts for the 5lug conversion and vented rotors.
my A arms, torsion bars, and crossmember are still 914

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post Nov 2 2018, 08:38 PM
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Depending whom I am talking to if someone asks me, I have a 911 front suspension.

Easier than saying I have 3.5" spacing 911 struts w/Bilstein inserts and 911 front hubs .
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post Nov 2 2018, 09:05 PM
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post Nov 2 2018, 11:36 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Nov 2 2018, 11:17 AM) *

QUOTE(Chi-town @ Nov 2 2018, 09:58 AM) *
So there is no advantage other than telling people you have 911 front suspension


Ease of installation ...

6 bolts on top, 8 bolts on the bottom, done. No need to pop ball joints or any other some such nonsense.

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post Nov 2 2018, 11:47 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Nov 2 2018, 02:17 PM) *

Ease of installation ...


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I've 5-lugged both 914's that I've owned. One of the most rewarding swaps and quite easy to do. In one evening my 914 went from 4-lug VW hubs to 5-lug 911. 5-lug Fuchs look great on a 914.





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post Nov 3 2018, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE(Chi-town @ Nov 2 2018, 05:11 PM) *

The more products for 911 only comes into play with torsion bars, everything else crosses over.

I've talked to the guys at Sway-a-way and it's 3-5 days to get a set of bars.

I prefer the thru body sway bar for simplicity of design and service.

I've seen a few failed aluminum crossmembers in my research. Nothing drastic mostly just hairline cracks and corrosion around the bolts.

So performance vs money

Stay with the 914 stuff, add good bushings and torsion bars and be happy.


The 914-4 and 911/914-6 have different spline count on the torsion bars also, so no mixing and matching allowed. So each A-arm and adjuster cup also have to be matched. If you do you would need to keep them on the same side of the car. Nothing saying you can't use a 911 A-arm and a 914-4 Arm, they just need to have everything matched.

Also while on the conversation of spline counts. the rear the input shaft and the hub are also specific to the 914-4 and if using 914-6 or 911 parts they need to be matched due to spline count. A little thing that even I forget every now and again when grabbing stub axles off the shelf to move a car around. Or changing out the run hubs to have hub centric rears.

Conversations about ball joints, and pinch verses wedge , and that also includes the struts.

In the long run we have not gotten to the real reason. It is easier to know that when you go to the parts place of choice and your looking for a front suspension part you do not need to know the part number. You just need to know the year and donor vehicle.

I have ruined that idea on my builds borrowing across parts bins from various manufactures, and suppliers. Like you Alfa brakes up front on a 914/6 front strut 3" bolt pattern for caliper mounting. 914-6 A-arms, 911 torsion bars out of a 1988 Carrera, with a set of Bilstein inserts in a Boge body that has had the spindles raised.

Sometime simple is better
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post Nov 3 2018, 09:47 AM
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914 A-arms with full motion bearings with custom made seals, 914/6 struts, alfa brembo Al calipers, bilstein struts, turbo tie rods, stock sway bar (for now),

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post Nov 3 2018, 10:10 AM
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Nice custom seals!!!
Any chance you have an extra set up f seals for sale?
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Nice custom seals!!!
Any chance you have an extra set of seals for sale?
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post Nov 3 2018, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(brant @ Nov 3 2018, 12:11 PM) *

Nice custom seals!!!
Any chance you have an extra set of seals for sale?


I'll have to check my notes, the one seal (pictured) is a VW bug front beam torsion bar seal, the other is also bug, but I can't remember which one.
That was 3-4 years ago.
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post Nov 4 2018, 08:47 AM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) And my point exactly, if you keep everyone 911 then it becomes simpler

I keep telling myself to build a book of parts for all my builds I never do it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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