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mepstein
post Nov 19 2018, 08:14 PM
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What can I do to rebuild my 1.7 for more HP and torque but keep the original d-jet.

piston and cylinders
crank
camshaft
heads
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I know I can't change the cam too much but is there one that will do better and still work with d-jet.

I know there is modern FI but I'm not interested. No carbs. I'm not looking for all out HP or dropping 10K on an engine kit. I just want a nice bump in power, if possible, while keeping a stock looking engine.
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post Nov 21 2018, 03:18 AM
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I think you are starting in the wrong place. the goals you have are somewhat incompatible with each other. No matter what you do to the motor the 1.7 intake and tiny throttle body are going to choke any significant improvements. The d-jet system itself can be adapted (though you are limited on cam choices) but the intake is still going to choke the motor. I experienced this first hand when I hacked a Megasquirt system together using spare 1.7 d-jet parts I had on to my buddies stock 2.0 motor. While it turned out noticeably better than the progressive single carb he had, the results were still obviously sub optimal. Throttle response was awful and power was choked.

If you are set on keeping the 1.7 intake you can pretty much forget about anything else. If you are tearing into the motor anyways than maybe do the cam, if not than just headers and a good tune are probably your best bet. Personally I wouldn't waste the time and money for such little gain, stock 1.7 d-jet motors are great for what they are.

The 1.8 intake is a whole different story, its what I am running with a 50mm 2.1 waterboxer throttle body on my 2056. I think the fact that the factory went significantly larger on the 1.8 intake components despite the motor being only ~100cc larger is a good indicator as well that the 1.7 parts didn't have any room to grow left in them. You could probably adapt the 1.8 plumbing to work with your 1.7 d-jet system but after that customization plus the motor upgrades you would probably just be better off starting with a stock 2.0, less hassle but probably comparable cost and power.

If you are stuck on keeping the d-jet ECU you have to play within the d-jet boundaries. If your primary goals are stock-ish appearance and more power you should seriously consider a modern ECU. If your goals are keeping 1.7 d-jet + more power you may want to reconsider your goals.

Ditch the d-jet and you could do something like this:
Looks like a stock small displacement motor on the outside, but pulls hard to 7k RPM with HP calculated from acceleration datalogs showing in the 130+ range.

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mepstein   Type 4 rebuild questions   Nov 19 2018, 08:14 PM
Mark Henry   Webcam #73 96mm KB's for 66mm crank and move u...   Nov 19 2018, 08:58 PM
mepstein   Webcam #73 96mm KB's for 66mm crank and move ...   Nov 19 2018, 09:39 PM
Chris914n6   The big difference with Djets is ecu and injectors...   Nov 20 2018, 01:20 AM
BeatNavy   Mark (E) I'm doing a similar build right now. ...   Nov 20 2018, 06:05 AM
Racer   I know a bump to a 1911 was always popular for 1.7...   Nov 20 2018, 07:05 AM
saigon71   FAT 440 MP camshaft is great with D-jet. I think ...   Nov 20 2018, 07:08 AM
Literati914   Posted in the classifieds?, you amateur :poke: ...   Nov 20 2018, 09:35 AM
mepstein   Posted in the classifieds?, you amateur :poke: ...   Nov 20 2018, 01:01 PM
914Sixer   Correct me if I am wrong, but the stock 1.7 made 8...   Nov 20 2018, 09:42 AM
Racer   Correct me if I am wrong, but the stock 1.7 made ...   Nov 20 2018, 11:22 AM
porschetub   Correct me if I am wrong, but the stock 1.7 made...   Nov 21 2018, 02:03 AM
GregAmy   "Subscribing". My 2L street car is runni...   Nov 20 2018, 10:07 AM
yellowporky   getting ready to build up my 73 1.7 next month. T...   Nov 20 2018, 10:26 AM
Alapone   Just curious, has anyone built a motor with a 66mm...   Nov 20 2018, 11:09 AM
Mark Henry   Mark (E) I'm doing a similar build right now....   Nov 20 2018, 05:16 PM
914Sixer   My bad, I got on the wrong info line. 88 hp was f...   Nov 20 2018, 01:13 PM
Jamie   My bad, I got on the wrong info line. 88 hp was ...   Nov 20 2018, 02:41 PM
thelogo   If your stick in with djet = stay bone stock If y...   Nov 20 2018, 02:40 PM
mepstein   I already have 94mm Mahle P&C's, 2.0 crank...   Nov 20 2018, 02:50 PM
rgalla9146   I already have 94mm Mahle P&C's, 2.0 cran...   Nov 21 2018, 04:58 PM
mepstein   I already have 94mm Mahle P&C's, 2.0 cra...   Nov 21 2018, 05:15 PM
rgalla9146   [quote name='rgalla9146' post='2667542' date='Nov...   Nov 21 2018, 06:02 PM
mepstein   [quote name='rgalla9146' post='2667542' date='No...   Nov 21 2018, 06:16 PM
worn   [quote name='rgalla9146' post='2667542' date='Nov...   Nov 21 2018, 06:14 PM
JOEPROPER   I think you're right about looking at HP incre...   Nov 20 2018, 04:24 PM
TravisNeff   The CA spec 73 1.7 was 72 HP, lower than the 1.8 b...   Nov 20 2018, 05:03 PM
76-914   Leave it stock and keep the RPM's up. Those ar...   Nov 20 2018, 05:06 PM
jcd914   Stock 1.7L at 8.2:1 compression ratio was 80HP (72...   Nov 20 2018, 07:51 PM
mepstein   Stock 1.7L at 8.2:1 compression ratio was 80HP (7...   Nov 20 2018, 08:06 PM
worn   Stock 1.7L at 8.2:1 compression ratio was 80HP (...   Nov 20 2018, 09:09 PM
mepstein   [quote name='mepstein' post='2667271' date='Nov 2...   Nov 20 2018, 09:17 PM
Valy   The static CR doesn't say much without conside...   Nov 21 2018, 01:14 AM
JamesM   I think you are starting in the wrong place. the g...   Nov 21 2018, 03:18 AM
mepstein   I think you are starting in the wrong place. the ...   Nov 21 2018, 07:29 AM
scott_in_nh   Ditch the d-jet and you could do something like t...   Nov 21 2018, 11:21 AM
Front yard mechanic   You could always turbo   Nov 21 2018, 08:28 AM
ClayPerrine   You could always turbo OK.. I have to say it.....   Nov 21 2018, 01:13 PM
worn   You could always turbo OK.. I have to say it....   Nov 21 2018, 06:10 PM
Dave_Darling   "You can't turbo a 914!!!...   Nov 22 2018, 02:24 PM
914forme   Source a 2.0L bus intake and that keeps the D-Jet ...   Nov 21 2018, 04:31 PM
cgnj   Mark, Here is the link regarding the plenums.2270 ...   Nov 21 2018, 09:06 PM
ottox914   See the various builds linked in my sig. Very hap...   Nov 24 2018, 10:23 PM


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