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What gauge metal is the front trunk floor? |
Tdskip |
Dec 12 2018, 09:14 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,684 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None |
Good morning. I need to fabricate some replacement metal before where one of the cars had an air-conditioning system in the front trunk. Does anyone know what gauge metal that is off the top of their head so I can get the right stuff from the metal supply shop?
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Andyrew |
Dec 12 2018, 09:18 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
I believe its been said to be 19ga. You wont find that at the local supply store. 18ga is the closest.
That is a complicated piece so a donor piece would be the best. |
bbrock |
Dec 12 2018, 09:18 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I believe its been said to be 19ga. You wont find that at the local supply store. 18ga is the closest. That is a complicated piece so a donor piece would be the best. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
BeatNavy |
Dec 12 2018, 09:21 AM
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Certified Professional Scapegoat Group: Members Posts: 2,924 Joined: 26-February 14 From: Easton, MD Member No.: 17,042 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
RD makes a piece specifically for that purpose:
http://www.restoration-design.com/store/product/PP337B Not cheap, but I bet trying to fabricate something, or make a donor piece fit, would take a fair amount of your time (however you value that). |
Tdskip |
Dec 12 2018, 09:58 AM
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Rand |
Dec 12 2018, 10:08 AM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
19 gauge? It's 18 in the US. Damned metric system.
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Andyrew |
Dec 12 2018, 10:11 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
My thoughts are
1. Whats your budget? 2. Do you want it done right? I would post a WTB. Probably get those to cuts for ~ $100. An 18ga sheet would be ~ $15 and you wouldnt have a chance in hell of making those stampings by hand. I would get that whole floor, cut the piece out of your floor so you have one piece welded in, trim to fit and weld. If its a custom car/race car then do whatever... Also think 10 years down the line. |
Rand |
Dec 12 2018, 10:18 AM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
The gauge at wich you need help. Which is a good place to be.
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bbrock |
Dec 12 2018, 10:22 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
My thoughts are 1. Whats your budget? 2. Do you want it done right? I would post a WTB. Probably get those to cuts for ~ $100. An 18ga sheet would be ~ $15 and you wouldnt have a chance in hell of making those stampings by hand. I would get that whole floor, cut the piece out of your floor so you have one piece welded in, trim to fit and weld. If its a custom car/race car then do whatever... Also think 10 years down the line. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) ... Again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Those would be really tricky patches to make it look right even with donor parts whereas replacing the whole bottom is fairly easy. Also, if you want to keep storing your spare tire there (which you should for safety), the shape of the front patch helps to nestle it in. I was under the impression you soCal boys can't walk 5 blocks without tripping over a good parts car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) |
Mark Henry |
Dec 12 2018, 10:34 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
The RD piece is great, just cut the hole a it bigger and it drops right in. There's two types one is the full trunk floor, the other is the AC repair section. The AC panel is cheaper and should also be cheaper to ship.
I've got a full trunk section here, very well made piece. |
Tom_T |
Dec 12 2018, 10:44 AM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
Thanks guys-this was a bit of an odd set up in that only the strips that I highlighted in blue were removed. I’m used to seeing lots of metal cut out but in this case it was pretty constrained, to my only partially educated eyes anyway. What do you think? You may actually find that the rust tin worm has gone beyond your repair spots shown inside the metal, which will surface later. The Porsche Factory 914 Repair Manual (Body Section) generally had them replace whole panels for that reason, as well as it being more work to cut out those 2 panels & try to get them aligned properly, then welded properly - vs just cutting the t=entire panel & welding in the entire new piece. It's far less work, uses the entire structural panel rather than weakening the original with a bunch of cuts & welds mid-panel, & sturdier to replace/re-weld at original panel weld joints, plus removes any other possible rusting material adjacent. Check your factory manual to see what it says for the trunk floor, then proceed accordingly. Heck - you'll pay for the entire panel anyway! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
peteyd |
Dec 12 2018, 11:53 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 705 Joined: 27-March 08 From: Elora, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 8,858 Region Association: Canada |
I'd say buy the RD piece. But I may be a little biased.
Pete |
mepstein |
Dec 12 2018, 12:42 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,239 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
He didn't say rusty, he said a/c install. A couple small pieces from a parts car would fix it.
I have a parts car with the same cuts for a/c as yours or I would send the pieces. |
burton73 |
Dec 12 2018, 12:42 PM
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burton73 Group: Members Posts: 3,498 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California |
Well see if Bruce Stone has one. He fixed me up with one for my V8 car that had an oil cooler there before when it was converted to 6. I think putting in the big piece is better. You have a chance to make it nice.
Shipping can be a pain and Riverside is not that far for you to drive. I bought is as a rolling chassis from Craig at the camp. Bob B |
Tdskip |
Dec 12 2018, 12:48 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,684 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None |
Geez guys-all this great information and sound logic is pushing me towards doing it right. Some help you guys are! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Let me ping Bruce and Vince to see if they have anything hanging around Fortunately this is an Arizona car so it’s VERY solid, it’s really just fixing where they cut stuff for the AC system. Thanks for all of the coaching. |
SirAndy |
Dec 12 2018, 02:11 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,606 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
What do you think? I think you'll never get the shape right if you try to do this by yourself and it will always look like a backyard hack repair. Buy the RD replacement piece and do it right. That's what i think ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
Tdskip |
Dec 12 2018, 02:14 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,684 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None |
It is ashamed that you guys are all so shy with your opinions...
(OK - OK, I give. Will track down replacement panel) |
bbrock |
Dec 12 2018, 03:27 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Shipping can be a pain and Riverside is not that far for you to drive. This right here would be the decision maker for me. If I could find a good donor locally, I'd get it. If I had to have one shipped, I buy the RD piece because it will wind up costing about the same as a shipped donor and be easier to install. Either way, I'd much rather patch in one large piece than those two small ones. If you get a local donor, get the whole trunk floor so you can cut at the pinch welds. That will leave you with only one butt weld along smooth sheet to deal with and your repair can be invisible. Some wackos even go so far as to mimic the original spot welds (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-20845-1540173177_thumb.jpg) |
Tdskip |
Dec 12 2018, 05:44 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,684 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None |
Shipping can be a pain and Riverside is not that far for you to drive. This right here would be the decision maker for me. If I could find a good donor locally, I'd get it. If I had to have one shipped, I buy the RD piece because it will wind up costing about the same as a shipped donor and be easier to install. Either way, I'd much rather patch in one large piece than those two small ones. If you get a local donor, get the whole trunk floor so you can cut at the pinch welds. That will leave you with only one butt weld along smooth sheet to deal with and your repair can be invisible. Some wackos even go so far as to mimic the original spot welds (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-20845-1540173177_thumb.jpg) Well good thing we've established we are fond of wackos here. Good advice, have a couple inquires out. Nice work! |
euro911 |
Dec 12 2018, 06:18 PM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,845 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California |
I have two good front trunk floor pans, but unfortunately, both of them are currently at my place in AZ. I won't be going back there until after I do my 2018 income taxes in March.
I originally had plans to patch up the hole from the AC condenser in my '75, but never got around to it. If you can wait for a while, I can bring them back when I return in April or May. I'll be asking $100. for either one. |
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