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> 1973 2.0L Rustoration, Restoration turned OT garage build
Superhawk996
post Dec 21 2018, 04:10 PM
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I purchased my first 914 back in 1987 (1973 1.7L) and had that car for nearly a decade and I personally put over 100,000 miles on it before it ultimately fell victim to a negligent driver that drove into the back end of it at about 40 mph while the vehicle was stopped at a red light. That rear end crash totaled the vehicle but what is amazing is how well it crumpled (early crush zones!) due to the kink in the frame where the halfshafts are. Everyone walked away unharmed.

I replaced it with a 1991 Miata. Great car in its own right but I've always missed my 914.

Purchased this "replacement" in May 2018 as a known poster child for a complete right side longitudinal rustoration.

This vehicle had been put into storage inside a pole barn around 2004 as far as I can tell.

Vehicle initially purchased in non-running condition:
Engine couldn't be started.
Transmission shift linkage was disconnected
Half shafts and CV's were in pieces, and the wheel stubs were not installed therefore the vehicle couldn't even be rolled without risking having the rear wheel separate from within the bearing.
Fiberglass laid into the floorpan . . . that can't be a good sign.

Vehicle looks great . . . until I got under it.

I spent the better part of the summer putting the items above back together and trying to confirm that it would:
1) Run under its own power
2) Drive though the neighborhood and shift though all gears.

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Looks pretty nice eh?

Here is what is lurking underneath once the rockers came off.

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and when I started cutting back the rust. Oh my . . . .

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Superhawk996
post Jan 1 2019, 12:08 PM
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Spent a bit of time getting the 914 clock working.

Was initially non-functional when I first applied power to it.

Took a bit of poking around on the various forums to try to figure it out. Estimate to repair was about $285 from Hollywood Speedometer. I'm sure they would do a great job but that isn't in the cards right now.

Although I was able to get it working, it sill isn't fit for use and the front plastic lens is scratched. Oh, and the inner bezel is painted red (as are all my other gauges) -- Oh, the things people do (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) to these cars! so at some point in time it may go in for a professional repair.

In the meantime, the curiosity of how it works and the itch to repair it was killing me.

When I first got it, the factory seal on the back of the clock was still in place which was a good sign. That meant only the front of the clock had been opened up to paint the inner bezel. Looking at the outer bezel closely did show signs of this but overall, it was done reasonably well and carefully without mauling the bezel too much.

Opening the back reveled the internal thermal fuse was open.

However, I put a jumper across it, and the clock still wouldn't run. It didn't start ticking on its own. I did eventually find that if I put some light finger pressure on the main spring gear that it would tick. I figure this was due to a gummed up mechanism.

Flushed the mechanism with denatured alcohol.

Repaired the thermal fuse. This one is a bit tricky. The back of the case says to only use 120C low melt temp solder. I can't seem to find this at a resonable price. I think the only solder alloy close to that temp is Indium based and the only places I could find it were about $250 for about 10 grams of it.

I did finally find some commercially available solder with a 138C melt point at Micro Center. Close enough for Government work. Certainly better than 60/40 Tin/Lead electronics solder with a melt temp of 188C but I'd rather eventually fix this in the long term. Luckily I have a power supply that I can do current limiting on so no risk in the short term.

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https://www.mgchemicals.com/downloads/tds/tds-4902p.pdf

Powered it up and voila! Or so it seemed.

Although it would run it wasn't self winding properly.

This is the most ingenious thing about the clock. When a set of contacts close, a solenoid is actuated which winds the clock. As the solenoid reaches the end of travel, the inertia of the winder mechanism carries it just a bit further than the contact on the solenoid arm, and opens contacts, and shutting off the solenoid. All this happens in a fraction of a second.

So what was happening is that although the contacts appeared to be closed, there were ever so slightly shy and not making electrical contact. I suspect this is due to mechanical wear, arching, or maybe something has gotten bent over the years. I tired cleaning the contacts but no luck.

I found that by putting a small shim (tip of a small tie wrap!) on top of the solenoid arm, it added just enough preload to close the contacts and to allow the winding mechanism to operate on its own.

Video below is with the tie wrap tip, taped into place with a small bit of green masking tape.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCQlqokfIPI


If anyone has more information on these clocks or has a more successful long term repair idea, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise I may eventually use a bit of glue to hold the tie wrap in place until I decide if $285 to restore the clock is worth it. Not likely in the short term until I get this car back on the road . . . I already have a $15 clock in my garage that works!

Also, I've found that a 1/2 Amp fast blow fuse is adequate to protect the clock in the short therm. The solenoid measures about 9 ohms so maximum steady state current flow would be 1.33 Amps by Ohms law. However, a solenoid is an inductor and inherently limits current in-rush and its inductance will be much higher than 9 ohms. I could dig up the equation to figure out the instantaneous inductance but that is too much work when trial and error works as well. Anyway, when I use a 1/2 Amp fuse, I can see the filament "bend" as the mechanism closes and current flows heating the fuse wire. However before it can get hot enough to blow, the current stops. In the long term, this bending of the fuse filament will fatigue it but for now, it works fine to protect the clock.
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Superhawk996   1973 2.0L Rustoration   Dec 21 2018, 04:10 PM
Superhawk996   With a new found 914 where else would I go but to ...   Dec 21 2018, 05:26 PM
Cairo94507   :wttc: Well you found the best place in the world ...   Dec 21 2018, 06:45 PM
Superhawk996   In the process, I also fabricated up some door bra...   Dec 21 2018, 06:52 PM
Superhawk996   At this point, it became clear that there would be...   Dec 21 2018, 07:01 PM
Superhawk996   This project started with a few goals in mind: 1)...   Dec 21 2018, 07:11 PM
Superhawk996   Alright, so now is probably a good time to plug a ...   Dec 21 2018, 08:07 PM
Jamie   You obviously know how to weld and have the tools,...   Dec 21 2018, 08:24 PM
Superhawk996   So what are the skeletons on this car that I'v...   Dec 21 2018, 08:25 PM
Dave_Darling   I'm trying to figure out a better way to do t...   Dec 21 2018, 08:54 PM
Superhawk996   How about this one? Mileage on the ODO is 60K (is...   Dec 21 2018, 08:33 PM
Superhawk996   All new vintage vehicle acquisitions come with sur...   Dec 21 2018, 08:43 PM
Superhawk996   This was another favorite. Some sort of home made...   Dec 21 2018, 08:55 PM
Superhawk996   Also found the driver side suspension console to h...   Dec 21 2018, 09:08 PM
Superhawk996   All right, one last fun post for the evening. I...   Dec 21 2018, 09:31 PM
euro911   I really enjoy reading these kinds of brutal rusto...   Dec 22 2018, 06:04 AM
76-914   That fiberglass added 40 lb's to the car. I al...   Dec 22 2018, 08:51 AM
bbrock   :wttc: Anyone crazy enough to save a rusted out ba...   Dec 22 2018, 09:40 AM
Superhawk996   Thank you for the kind words of encouragement...   Dec 23 2018, 02:25 PM
Superhawk996   Overall pretty happy with progress so far. Floo...   Dec 23 2018, 10:05 PM
bbrock   Then put passenger side door back on to gauge doo...   Dec 23 2018, 11:03 PM
Superhawk996   Then put passenger side door back on to gauge do...   Dec 23 2018, 11:22 PM
bbrock   That was the 1st time for me with pulling my back...   Dec 23 2018, 11:37 PM
jmitro   Alternatively, if you look carefully, you may fin...   Dec 29 2018, 09:51 PM
Superhawk996   Also did some more removal of the rear frame ...   Dec 23 2018, 10:32 PM
Superhawk996   So after all that, I decided to take a look at how...   Dec 23 2018, 10:42 PM
sixnotfour   way to dive in... :wttc: :first:   Dec 23 2018, 10:46 PM
Superhawk996   So here is a fun picture of my original 914 back i...   Dec 23 2018, 11:53 PM
whitetwinturbo   ............I'm popped out just reading this t...   Dec 27 2018, 12:00 AM
Superhawk996   Getting back to work after a few days off. Slow...   Dec 29 2018, 09:02 PM
Superhawk996   Posted a video up on YouTube. Posted as much for ...   Dec 29 2018, 09:31 PM
Superhawk996   Deleted duplicate post - oops!   Dec 29 2018, 09:34 PM
Superhawk996   Spent a bit of time getting the 914 clock working....   Jan 1 2019, 12:08 PM
bbrock   Happy New Year! Thanks for posting your clock...   Jan 1 2019, 01:41 PM
Superhawk996   I'm curious about the thermal fuse. Is the...   Jan 1 2019, 02:42 PM
euro911   Is there enough room inside the housing to solder ...   Jan 1 2019, 03:24 PM
bbrock   Littlefuse also has miniature ceramic fuses with ...   Jan 1 2019, 06:42 PM
Dion   Just spotted this thread. Nice work! & Go...   Jan 1 2019, 06:25 PM
Superhawk996   I suppose you could add in one of those miniature ...   Jan 3 2019, 07:58 PM
FourBlades   Great looking restoration! Check out this pag...   Jan 4 2019, 08:40 AM
Superhawk996   Great looking restoration! Check out this pa...   Jan 19 2019, 11:35 AM
bbrock   Thanks for the details on the clock. Makes sense ...   Jan 4 2019, 08:49 AM
Superhawk996   Happy to be of help! I ordered some special...   Jan 5 2019, 05:59 PM
Superhawk996   Didn't get much done that looks impressive. ...   Jan 5 2019, 06:07 PM
Superhawk996   Have not posted in a while but I've been worki...   Jan 19 2019, 12:08 PM
Superhawk996   The trailing arm mount on my car came with one of ...   Jan 19 2019, 12:34 PM
euro911   I drill two holes in the bottom of each jack point...   Jan 19 2019, 04:44 PM
Superhawk996   I drill two holes in the bottom of each jack poin...   Jan 26 2019, 10:11 AM
Superhawk996   :headbang: Having a rough go of getting the trai...   Jan 26 2019, 10:32 AM
Superhawk996   Also picked up some front brake calibers from PMB ...   Jan 26 2019, 10:47 AM
Superhawk996   Update on the trailing arm mount madness: Laser p...   Jan 30 2019, 09:59 AM
Superhawk996   Back to work. Last couple of weekends have been l...   Feb 9 2019, 06:24 PM
mgphoto   I bought the same part through Sierra Madre col...   Mar 17 2019, 10:11 AM
R8CERX   WOW--AWESOME work!! :cheer: Cant wait to ...   Mar 1 2019, 02:19 PM
Superhawk996   It's been a while since I posted. Things have...   Mar 15 2019, 09:45 PM
Superhawk996   Although I had a rough mock up there is still more...   Mar 15 2019, 10:08 PM
Superhawk996   The other thing that has derailed my effort to get...   Mar 15 2019, 10:19 PM
bbrock   But the more I got to thinking about doing a from...   Mar 15 2019, 10:41 PM
Superhawk996   @porscheaddic Came to my rescue and provided a ...   Mar 15 2019, 10:32 PM
Superhawk996   I'll end up with some odds and ends that I won...   Mar 15 2019, 10:37 PM
Superhawk996   @bbrock You've set a pretty high bar. I...   Mar 15 2019, 10:44 PM
Superhawk996   @mgphoto :headbanger: Nice project photo. I ...   Mar 17 2019, 10:20 AM
mgphoto   I would like to see a photo of your car sort of th...   Mar 17 2019, 10:41 AM
Superhawk996   I would like to see a photo of your car sort of t...   Mar 17 2019, 11:42 AM
bbrock   My thought is the 2nd hole might have something ...   Mar 17 2019, 12:20 PM
mgphoto   [quote name='mgphoto' post='2697526' date='Mar 17...   Mar 20 2019, 11:54 AM
Superhawk996   Photo of passenger side donor sheet metal rough tr...   Mar 17 2019, 11:45 AM
Superhawk996   Time to post a little progress for March. Here ...   Apr 6 2019, 04:17 PM
bbrock   Just your mark-up is a work of art. That's qu...   Apr 6 2019, 06:02 PM
Superhawk996   Just your mark-up is a work of art. That's q...   Apr 6 2019, 06:26 PM
Superhawk996   I was saving my effort doing complex metal forming...   Apr 6 2019, 06:35 PM
Superhawk996   Been a little bit slow posting lately. Spring and...   Apr 23 2019, 07:31 AM
Superhawk996   This cowl area has taken way too much time. A f...   Apr 23 2019, 07:52 AM
Superhawk996   The other thing that led to rushing the job was al...   Apr 23 2019, 08:15 AM
tygaboy   :agree: with all the "can't see = can...   Apr 23 2019, 08:32 AM
Superhawk996   :agree: with all the "can't see = can...   Apr 23 2019, 08:48 AM
Superhawk996   These are the easy ones. Just a quick dab or two ...   Apr 23 2019, 08:35 AM
Superhawk996   The other work that has started in April is beginn...   Apr 23 2019, 09:04 AM
Superhawk996   Here is a bit of previous work. I removed the tun...   Apr 23 2019, 09:27 AM
Superhawk996   For all you guys that think just a little rust in ...   Apr 23 2019, 09:34 AM
Dave_Darling   Would a copper backer help with the blow-through i...   Apr 23 2019, 12:05 PM
Superhawk996   Would a copper backer help with the blow-through ...   Apr 23 2019, 02:02 PM
Superhawk996   Well since I'm not supposed to be doing any he...   Apr 28 2019, 04:49 PM
Dave_Darling   Worse than the rust debris / garbage there is som...   Apr 28 2019, 07:02 PM
bbrock   Worse than the rust debris / garbage there is so...   Apr 28 2019, 07:31 PM
restore2seater   I have no idea what this is or where it came from....   Apr 29 2019, 08:04 AM
Superhawk996   On a more positive note. Most of the other engine...   Apr 28 2019, 05:03 PM
bbrock   When I rebuilt my short block, I filled all the ga...   Apr 28 2019, 05:13 PM
Superhawk996   I've gotta admit JB weld is pretty good at res...   Apr 28 2019, 05:24 PM
Superhawk996   Here is the Miata in it's prime as a MUV. Mia...   Apr 28 2019, 05:27 PM
bbrock   Here is the Miata in it's prime as a MUV. Mi...   Apr 28 2019, 05:57 PM
Superhawk996   @bbrock Wait a few years, but, you definitely sh...   Apr 28 2019, 06:12 PM
Superhawk996   Here's a video of the posted Miata turning 220...   Apr 28 2019, 06:18 PM
bbrock   Here's a video of the posted Miata turning 22...   Apr 28 2019, 07:36 PM
Tenner   A few posts earlier, you've been talked about ...   Apr 29 2019, 02:55 AM
injunmort   to fill pits in rocker covers, try boiler cement. ...   Apr 29 2019, 04:33 AM
Superhawk996   @Tenner [b]Looks like nice work. You most defin...   Apr 29 2019, 04:44 AM
bbrock   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...   Apr 29 2019, 08:11 AM
injunmort   brake piston   Apr 29 2019, 10:18 AM
Superhawk996   brake piston Good guess . . . but it would ha...   Apr 29 2019, 11:40 AM
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