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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
 Dec 26 2018, 08:45 AM
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914 Guru  Group: Members Posts: 7,846 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None  |
If you can do all of the work yourself, and consider it free, a decent project. However since it has a carb and color change, those are two big strikes against it. Of course we do not know how much you paid for it, but you would be much better off finding a 15 thousand car rather than starting on this one. (15 thousand dollar car will have the original color on it, be fuel injected and a 73-76 2.0)
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| jdamiano |
Dec 26 2018, 08:49 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 335 Joined: 18-March 18 From: Jacksonville Member No.: 21,981 Region Association: South East States |
Anything can be fixed with time and money. It’s going to be a project if you want a solid driver. The question I have is that spray foam l see in the picture?
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| vbrad26 |
Dec 26 2018, 09:20 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 19-December 18 From: St. Petersburg, FL Member No.: 22,736 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Dec 26 2018, 09:45 AM)  If you can do all of the work yourself, and consider it free, a decent project. However since it has a carb and color change, those are two big strikes against it. Of course we do not know how much you paid for it, but you would be much better off finding a 15 thousand car rather than starting on this one. (15 thousand dollar car will have the original color on it, be fuel injected and a 73-76 2.0) Mechanical work? Yes. Anything relating to the body? No. hah. Already stumbled across your website BTW, if the car stays you have yourself a new customer lol. QUOTE(jdamiano @ Dec 26 2018, 09:49 AM) Anything can be fixed with time and money. It’s going to be a project if you want a solid driver. The question I have is that spray foam l see in the picture? Which picture are we talking about here? Keep in mind the car was bought pretty much sight unseen. I only had about 15 min to check it all out before it went to the shop. So unfortunately there are still a lot of 'unknowns" at the moment... |
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| Tdskip |
Dec 26 2018, 09:45 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,686 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None 
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Good morning and welcome.
Let’s start here - what do you want from the car and your ownership experience? I’d strongly suggest answering that before doing anything else. |
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| vbrad26 |
Dec 26 2018, 10:35 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 19-December 18 From: St. Petersburg, FL Member No.: 22,736 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(Tdskip @ Dec 26 2018, 10:45 AM) Good morning and welcome. Let’s start here - what do you want from the car and your ownership experience? I’d strongly suggest answering that before doing anything else. Well, it is intended to be a project that maybe one day my daughter (currently 9 months old) will be able to drive and enjoy. So, we've got plenty of time in that regard. In the meantime, it would just be another weekend car that may see an occasional autoX (if it ever makes it that far). So really just a weekend cruiser and occasional racer. Like I said, we have plenty of time and would be in no hurry to get everything sorted. Obviously, the things that need the most attention wold be made a priority and then just little things along the way. Money is not necessarily a factor, but I'm not sure how much would really want to be invested into it at this point. |
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| rhodyguy |
Dec 26 2018, 11:04 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,076 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
You bought a bad car. Sorry to be the barer of sad news. How much are you willing to spend bringing it back?
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| vbrad26 |
Dec 26 2018, 11:13 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 19-December 18 From: St. Petersburg, FL Member No.: 22,736 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Dec 26 2018, 12:04 PM) You bought a bad car. Sorry to be the barer of sad news. How much are you willing to spend bringing it back? No worries! But would you mind elaborating a little? Just for my information? And as far as a budget to bring it back...still undecided. |
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| mepstein |
Dec 26 2018, 11:35 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,260 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Dec 26 2018, 12:04 PM) You bought a bad car. Sorry to be the barer of sad news. How much are you willing to spend bringing it back? On the east coast, that's just a bit rough around the edges. The body is always the most important part of a 914 purchase since you can't unbolt it and slide in a new part. You also can't count on a seller to take pics of all the bad spots. Unless you are buying a car for parts, I always recommend spending the time and money to see the car in person. At this point, you just have to decide if you want a rustoration or punt and get a better car. |
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| Tdskip |
Dec 26 2018, 11:45 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,686 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(vbrad26 @ Dec 26 2018, 12:13 PM) QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Dec 26 2018, 12:04 PM) You bought a bad car. Sorry to be the barer of sad news. How much are you willing to spend bringing it back? No worries! But would you mind elaborating a little? Just for my information? And as far as a budget to bring it back...still undecided. Well let’s start with the good news - it looks pretty complete. Getting the car sorted out to deal with the low speed running issue probably isn’t that hard. The clutch isn’t that hard to do, paint looks driver quality and the starts and stops. Smoke on shifting is classic valve guides / seals being worn but get 2nd opinions on that. I think the big issue that has people responding is the rust repairs that can be seen on the area below the doors. That is a key area for the car, and the repairs that have been done there look kind of sketchy. All fixable, but time and effort. Emphasis on the effort. How good are your metal work and MIG welding skills? |
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| vbrad26 |
Dec 26 2018, 11:48 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 19-December 18 From: St. Petersburg, FL Member No.: 22,736 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(mepstein @ Dec 26 2018, 12:35 PM) On the east coast, that's just a bit rough around the edges. The body is always the most important part of a 914 purchase since you can't unbolt it and slide in a new part. You also can't count on a seller to take pics of all the bad spots. Unless you are buying a car for parts, I always recommend spending the time and money to see the car in person. At this point, you just have to decide if you want a rustoration or punt and get a better car. Yeah the car was originally from the Northeast. Not sure exactly when it made its way down South. The car seemed like a decent deal which is why it's here. So even if a decent chunk of money was dropped into it I don't think it'd be a loss. |
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| vbrad26 |
Dec 26 2018, 11:53 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 19-December 18 From: St. Petersburg, FL Member No.: 22,736 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(Tdskip @ Dec 26 2018, 12:45 PM) Well let’s start with the good news - it looks pretty complete. Getting the car sorted out to deal with the low speed running issue probably isn’t that hard. The clutch isn’t that hard to do, paint looks driver quality and the starts and stops. Smoke one shifting is classic valve guides / seals being worn but get 2nd opinions on that. I think the big issue that has people responding is the rust repairs that can be seen on the area below the doors. That is a key area for the car, and the repairs that have been done there look kind of sketchy. All fixable, but time and effort. Emphasis on the effort. How good are your metal work and MIG welding skills? Yes, the car does seem pretty complete. I could care less about the mechanics at this point, because like you said a lot of that can be fairly simple...hopefully. My main concern is what you have stated above, the rust issues and repairs. Metal working skills are non-existent, and I'm not looking to learn hah. Parts I have found from just browsing Restoration Design don't seem to be crazy expensive assuming I am going to need some. But I just don't know what sort of labor we're looking at here, but I do realize that is where a lot of the money would be in this project. |
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| bbrock |
Dec 26 2018, 12:04 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) that this is a decent project car but for someone dedicated to a DIY project rather than something they can spruce up over a couple weekends and drive. "Sketchy" is exactly the word I would use for the rust repairs too. They might be solid but it's hard to say. The gusset under the jack tube bothers me because it suggests that tube wasn't welded in right. If that is wrong, what else did they get wrong? I'd want to do a lot of probing of those repairs and get a boroscope inside the longs to get a better assessment. Bottom line is the car is not terminal and lots of people, including myself, would enjoy a project like that. Only you can decide how much project you want and what you can live with.
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| Tdskip |
Dec 26 2018, 12:06 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,686 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None
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QUOTE Yes, the car does seem pretty complete. I could care less about the mechanics at this point, because like you said a lot of that can be fairly simple...hopefully. My main concern is what you have stated above, the rust issues and repairs. Metal working skills are non-existent, and I'm not looking to learn hah. Parts I have found from just browsing Restoration Design don't seem to be crazy expensive assuming I am going to need some. But I just don't know what sort of labor we're looking at here, but I do realize that is where a lot of the money would be in this project. Well, that is kind of the wrong answer on metal working IF you care about total financial outlay. The parts are, relatively speaking, cheap compared to the labor costs. It is hard to estimate the cost for a shop to repair because labor rates and standards etc all vary wildly, but let me just say that it will be cheap to find another better car. There are some people on here that do this professionally who might offer up numbers but they will be scary (but totally worth it) due to the sheer amount of time. There is a decent red one for sale here for $6k asking as an FYI. |
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| mepstein |
Dec 26 2018, 12:15 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,260 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(vbrad26 @ Dec 26 2018, 12:53 PM) QUOTE(Tdskip @ Dec 26 2018, 12:45 PM) Well let’s start with the good news - it looks pretty complete. Getting the car sorted out to deal with the low speed running issue probably isn’t that hard. The clutch isn’t that hard to do, paint looks driver quality and the starts and stops. Smoke one shifting is classic valve guides / seals being worn but get 2nd opinions on that. I think the big issue that has people responding is the rust repairs that can be seen on the area below the doors. That is a key area for the car, and the repairs that have been done there look kind of sketchy. All fixable, but time and effort. Emphasis on the effort. How good are your metal work and MIG welding skills? Yes, the car does seem pretty complete. I could care less about the mechanics at this point, because like you said a lot of that can be fairly simple...hopefully. My main concern is what you have stated above, the rust issues and repairs. Metal working skills are non-existent, and I'm not looking to learn hah. Parts I have found from just browsing Restoration Design don't seem to be crazy expensive assuming I am going to need some. But I just don't know what sort of labor we're looking at here, but I do realize that is where a lot of the money would be in this project. Labor (from a decent shop) is 5-10X or more the cost of the RD parts. If the longs are that rough, the rear suspension consoles and other parts of the car are usually in need of repair. Also, a critical look at the seems at the front and back trunks will often show evidence of prior hits. Very common on our 50 year old cars. you could easily put $10-15K into that car before you even talk about paint. Not trying to discourage you, that's just how these cars work. |
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| SirAndy |
Dec 26 2018, 12:18 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,626 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
I see a lot of rather sketchy looking rust "repair" on both longs.
My guess is the car still has its fair share of cancer and if you want it to be done right, you'll have to undo those "repairs" and redo them correctly. If anything in this thread scares you, you're in over your head: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=16748 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
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| Mike Bellis |
Dec 26 2018, 12:24 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,345 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None 
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Dec 26 2018, 09:35 AM) QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Dec 26 2018, 12:04 PM) You bought a bad car. Sorry to be the barer of sad news. How much are you willing to spend bringing it back? On the east coast, that's just a bit rough around the edges. The body is always the most important part of a 914 purchase since you can't unbolt it and slide in a new part. You also can't count on a seller to take pics of all the bad spots. Unless you are buying a car for parts, I always recommend spending the time and money to see the car in person. At this point, you just have to decide if you want a rustoration or punt and get a better car. On the West coast... We would ship that car to the East coast and find a better car. Generally: when the rust hits the Drivers side long, the car has way more rust (unseen) than it's worth to fix up. On the East coast, that's a project car. In the UK, that car is as close to perfect as you will find. On the West coast... I would pass and find a dozen better cars... |
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| tomh |
Dec 26 2018, 12:30 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 322 Joined: 28-February 10 From: san jose Member No.: 11,412 Region Association: None |
Fix the fuel problem drive it and have fun.
Beats the hell out of a 6 year jack stand slog. My 2 cents |
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| jdamiano |
Dec 26 2018, 12:33 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 335 Joined: 18-March 18 From: Jacksonville Member No.: 21,981 Region Association: South East States |
In this image. What is that expanding foam colored stuff?
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| Cairo94507 |
Dec 26 2018, 12:42 PM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,741 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California
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Given your stated timeline, your daughter is <1year old, you are in the right ball park as that gives you about 15 years to get that car dialed in and correct.
Sadly, Mike is right- I would ship that car to east coast and let them deal with it. Buy a CA/New Mexico car and you will be a decade ahead with a lot less stress and anxiety. Sorry, but that car needs a lot of chassis work before you even get to the cosmetic body work. For cars approaching the half-century mark, I don't think it wise to ever rush on the buying decision. You just have to invest the time and energy to weed out all of the bad ones. A lot of backyard "mechanics" and "body men" have had decades to destroy these cars with extremely bad work (I am being kind here) all around. They polish a turd and 90 days later a completely rusted piece of crap emerges. Or when you look at the GVW and compare it your vehicle weight and find out your car weighs 300 pounds more than it should....you know there is a good 1/2" layer of bondo over the entire body which has been "sculpted" to resemble a 914. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Don't despair, we have all had major setbacks on the road to having the 914 we want- believe me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) . Cheers, Michael |
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