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> Time To Do The Engine, Going with a SCAT 2366cc
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post Jan 15 2019, 04:58 PM
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Well, car is running like crap and compression is 98-110. Buddy mechanic says there isn't enough there to work with. So need to explore options. Was looking for a 6 awhile ago but that's just too expensive.

I have a 1971 1.7 block (car is 1970), may have bigger cylinders in it but don't know. What are the options if on a slightly restricted budget? I want big and more power but I know there's a tipping point on that.

I see new engines advertised here and there. SCAT 2056.
Contemplating, do I buy a new engine like this? (any others out there?) or rebuild what I have using a SCAT engine kit or piecing it together using various kits.

How big can I easily (budget) go? Currently don't know what I have so assumming a new cam, new crank, etc.

I plan on using the existing dual Weber 40IDFs and the MSDS headers/muffler.

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post Jan 15 2019, 09:40 PM
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Put new pistons 96's and rebuild the heads. 2k.
1911. Keep everything else the way it is.

Get a six....986 or 987 and drive it like you stole it..

Best of both worlds.
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QUOTE(914_teener @ Jan 15 2019, 08:40 PM) *

Put new pistons 96's and rebuild the heads. 2k.
1911. Keep everything else the way it is.

Get a six....986 or 987 and drive it like you stole it..

Best of both worlds.


So 96mm cylinders would equate to 1911? I assume rebuilding the heads dosen't add displacement. WHat is the jump to a 2056? bigger cylinders?

Am I buying new cylinders and pistons vs. boring out what I have? Are cam and crank the same?

I have carbs and intakes. Unless FI is under $500 I'll stay with the carbs. Would sell the carbs to fund the FI. Not familiar with FI too much.

I also have a performance 4 to 1 header from Marty and a Spintech racing muffler so exhaust and intake spoken for.

I have an '84 944 for civilized fun.

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QUOTE(7TPorsh @ Jan 16 2019, 12:15 PM) *

So 96mm cylinders would equate to 1911? I assume rebuilding the heads dosen't add displacement. WHat is the jump to a 2056? bigger cylinders?

Am I buying new cylinders and pistons vs. boring out what I have? Are cam and crank the same?

I have carbs and intakes. Unless FI is under $500 I'll stay with the carbs. Would sell the carbs to fund the FI. Not familiar with FI too much.


96mm P&C plus the 1.7L crank get you to 1911. If you get a 2.0 Crank (71 mm), you get the 2056. So no, the crank is not the same vs. 1.7. No machining required to drop 96 mm cylinders in (although it might be desirable if the case is out of alignment -- but no boring required).

I mentioned $500 as the possible FI cost - what I should have said is you may be able to get a serviceable D-Jet setup for that. As Mark Henry said, anything modern is going to be a good bit more.

Lots of good ideas from people. It's up to you based on your budget, desire for power, desire to learn, and desire to get back on the road quickly. I agree with those that say the quickest, cheapest, and easiest route is to buy something that someone already built (either from a place like FAT or from someone who is now looking to go in a different direction from something they previously built/bought). The only real downside to that approach is you don't learn as much and you didn't build it yourself exactly the way you wanted. To some people that matters - others, not so much.
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7TPorsh   Time To Do The Engine   Jan 15 2019, 04:58 PM
Rand   Are you committed to staying with air cooled four?...   Jan 15 2019, 05:23 PM
Rand   Just to clear the air, I love flat fours. Anemic a...   Jan 15 2019, 05:25 PM
Rand   Please toss carbs and go FI to open a new world.   Jan 15 2019, 05:26 PM
7TPorsh   I have a fairly reasonable mechanic and access to ...   Jan 15 2019, 05:35 PM
mepstein   I have a fairly reasonable mechanic and access to...   Jan 15 2019, 05:45 PM
7TPorsh   Budget I'm thinking $4-5k not including t...   Jan 15 2019, 05:36 PM
7TPorsh   Open to FI if it fits budget, etc.   Jan 15 2019, 05:36 PM
Mark Henry   Open to FI if it fits budget, etc. Stock FI wi...   Jan 15 2019, 07:05 PM
wndsrfr   Here's another one....to consider....https://f...   Jan 15 2019, 07:48 PM
BeatNavy   I'm in the process of building out the 1.7 tha...   Jan 15 2019, 06:10 PM
Dave_Darling   For $5K, talk to McMark at Original Customs. ...   Jan 15 2019, 06:11 PM
JeffBowlsby   T4s do not have 'blocks' they have 'c...   Jan 15 2019, 06:21 PM
914forme   Tangerine header and muffler will push to half or ...   Jan 15 2019, 09:26 PM
ConeDodger   2056 to 2270 are the tipping point. Beyond that, t...   Jan 15 2019, 09:30 PM
ConeDodger   Oh, and that’s a really nice looking car! :...   Jan 15 2019, 09:32 PM
914_teener   Put new pistons 96's and rebuild the heads. 2k...   Jan 15 2019, 09:40 PM
ndfrigi   Put new pistons 96's and rebuild the heads. 2...   Jan 15 2019, 10:24 PM
7TPorsh   Put new pistons 96's and rebuild the heads. 2...   Jan 16 2019, 11:15 AM
BeatNavy   So 96mm cylinders would equate to 1911? I assume...   Jan 16 2019, 12:34 PM
914_teener   So 96mm cylinders would equate to 1911? I assum...   Jan 16 2019, 02:40 PM
BK911   I'd do a leak down on current engine to determ...   Jan 16 2019, 09:31 AM
thelogo   I was at the same cross road as you were this time...   Jan 16 2019, 11:05 AM
7TPorsh   Exhaust view:   Jan 16 2019, 11:18 AM
rhodyguy   4-5k? Double your budget. It's the 'while ...   Jan 16 2019, 11:38 AM
tmessenger   Your carbs that function with the 1.7 prob won...   Jan 18 2019, 09:49 PM
marksteinhilber   Well, car is running like crap and compression is...   Jan 16 2019, 11:45 AM
Alphaogre   I started with a '70 1.7 and built a short str...   Jan 16 2019, 02:57 PM
VaccaRabite   From your 1.7: 96mm P&C will get you to 1911....   Jan 17 2019, 10:33 AM
BeatNavy   You will spend most of your budget on heads. And...   Jan 17 2019, 11:37 AM
bbrock   You will spend most of your budget on heads. An...   Jan 17 2019, 11:42 AM
7TPorsh   Thanks Guys, this is really great info. So it loo...   Jan 18 2019, 12:04 PM
Dave_Darling   So it looks like I will be deciding between a 1911...   Jan 18 2019, 06:39 PM
mepstein   What is your budget. $5k, 7.5k, 10k?   Jan 18 2019, 12:21 PM
nditiz1   So I feel there are two routes I would go in your ...   Jan 18 2019, 12:36 PM
burton73   From the LOGO: "I got a plug and play big/4 ...   Jan 18 2019, 02:13 PM
wndsrfr   From the LOGO: "I got a plug and play big/4...   Jan 18 2019, 09:17 PM
Al Meredith   with the 2056 you not only get the added CCs but t...   Jan 18 2019, 05:04 PM
913B   My apologies in advance for the highjack. Without...   Jan 20 2019, 12:09 PM
VaccaRabite   My apologies in advance for the highjack. Withou...   Jan 24 2019, 09:38 AM
7TPorsh   Spoke to SCAT yesterday. Their 2056 for a 914 is ...   Jan 24 2019, 10:29 AM
rhodyguy   Ask about machining. The deck, the galley plugs an...   Jan 24 2019, 10:31 AM
Bleyseng   2056 with Raby 9900 cam/liters, Porsche swivel fee...   Jan 24 2019, 10:40 AM
7TPorsh   2056 with Raby 9900 cam/liters, Porsche swivel fe...   Jan 24 2019, 12:33 PM
Bleyseng   Parts, assembly required   Jan 24 2019, 12:35 PM
Rand   Parts, assembly required Exactly why most buyers...   Jan 24 2019, 12:48 PM
ottox914   Check links in my sig for details of my 2056 build...   Jan 24 2019, 11:04 PM
7TPorsh   So did some more hunting and research for a buy vs...   Feb 1 2019, 11:11 AM
thelogo   So did some more hunting and research for a buy v...   Feb 1 2019, 05:30 PM
Mark Henry   IMHO the 103's with iron cylinders are a bad c...   Feb 1 2019, 12:29 PM
JOEPROPER   :popcorn:   Feb 1 2019, 12:39 PM
thelogo   Im always in la canada and would love to pick up y...   Feb 1 2019, 05:32 PM
Mayne   Spoke to SCAT yesterday. Their 2056 for a 914 is ...   Feb 3 2019, 10:02 AM
preach   Beautiful car. What wheels are those, I love...   Feb 3 2019, 11:22 AM
rhodyguy   71mm crankshaft. Stock.   Feb 3 2019, 12:55 PM
914werke   :agree: a 2366 isnt a stroker motor. <_<   Feb 3 2019, 02:28 PM
Mayne   :agree: a 2366 isnt a stroker motor. <_< ...   Feb 3 2019, 04:29 PM
falcor75   "Cheap-Reliable-Fast, pick two." this 10...   Feb 4 2019, 12:01 AM
Mark Henry   "Cheap-Reliable-Fast, pick two." this 1...   Feb 4 2019, 08:52 AM
mepstein   Their warranty- All product warranties are limit...   Feb 4 2019, 09:36 AM
rhodyguy   Upon inspection, UPON INSPECTION! Do I need to...   Feb 4 2019, 09:45 AM
thelogo   Hi performance ,air cooled and warranty Dont real...   Feb 4 2019, 02:52 PM
7TPorsh   Progress begins: THE DROP!   Feb 8 2019, 05:12 PM
thelogo   Progress begins: THE DROP! Was it num...   Feb 8 2019, 11:54 PM
bandjoey   Eagerly watching the new Install   Feb 8 2019, 10:58 PM
BK911   Exciting times!! Anxious to hear your thou...   Feb 9 2019, 05:54 AM
Mayne   Looking forward to hearing about the new engine...   Feb 9 2019, 07:11 AM
7TPorsh   Going to work in an oil cooler somewhere. Engine ...   Feb 11 2019, 01:46 PM


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