Time To Do The Engine, Going with a SCAT 2366cc Options

[7TPorsh]

Spoke to SCAT yesterday. Their 2056 for a 914 is $3900. 2.0 crank, 96mm cans. All new parts. Heads have standard valving. Rated 110hp with webers.

They can do a 2366 motor with 103mm cans and bigger valves for $4900. Rated 150 hp with Webers.

Both have a 12000/1 year warranty. No core.

If i buy all the pieces (crank, cam, cans, etc.) for a 2270 or 2366, how much would it be?...then just have my guy do the work on the existing motor.

[rhodyguy]

Ask about machining. The deck, the galley plugs and aligne bore. Ask them about target compression ratio.

[Bleyseng]

2056 with Raby 9900 cam/liters, Porsche swivel feet, HAM heads with 44x38 valves with combustion chambers coated, Djet FI. Gonna be in your $4000 budget and 120HP with tons of rpms....BTDT and still smiling. Oh, MPS has to be calibrated to your engine and you will get 25mpg if you don't drive around at WOT.

If you are in Seattle at all come drive mine.

[7TPorsh]

2056 with Raby 9900 cam/liters, Porsche swivel feet, HAM heads with 44x38 valves with combustion chambers coated, Djet FI. Gonna be in your $4000 budget and 120HP with tons of rpms....BTDT and still smiling. Oh, MPS has to be calibrated to your engine and you will get 25mpg if you don't drive around at WOT.

If you are in Seattle at all come drive mine.

Raby 2056 for $4K? Show me I'll buy it today. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Bleyseng]

Parts, assembly required

[Rand]

Parts, assembly required

Exactly why most buyers are...

[ottox914]

Check links in my sig for details of my 2056 build. Very happy with the results. Went with modest valve sizes, and reasonable cam. Made 120 whp on the dyno with a giant tq curve. Gave up a little on top for more grunt all around. I'd build another one in a second.

[7TPorsh]

So did some more hunting and research for a buy vs. build. Decided to buy.

Ordered a high performance 2366cc Type 4/914 long block from SCAT VW; with the clutch kit - no core charge. Sourcing and building a motor like this is going to come out to the same cost or more and this has a warranty. Under $5k

Rated at 150-155 hp using Webers. 103mm cylinders, 71mm crank and enlarged valves. I think it's a geat deal. Buying a used running 2.0 engine for $3-4k doesn't seem the way to go for me. Why do a used 2056 with 100hp, when you can get another 50 hp for a little more.

Lots of builders on the board here but all start at minimum $5k and go up fast. SCAT has been around for a long time and I've known others with their engines so I feel pretty confident I'll do ok.

Any advice on modifying my Weber 40 IDFs and intake for the larger engine? Do people still have intakes polished like in the old muscle car days?

Engine drop tonight...anyone looking for a good 1.7 core long block in the LA area? Cheap Cheap!

[Mark Henry]

IMHO the 103's with iron cylinders are a bad choice, over 96mm you need nickies.
I'm an engine builder, most of them turn-key and a LN dealer, I won't build an engine with 103 iron cylinders, I would rather (and have) pass on the job.

[JOEPROPER]

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[thelogo]

So did some more hunting and research for a buy vs. build. Decided to buy.

Ordered a high performance 2366cc Type 4/914 long block from SCAT VW; with the clutch kit - no core charge. Sourcing and building a motor like this is going to come out to the same cost or more and this has a warranty. Under $5k

Rated at 150-155 hp using Webers. 103mm cylinders, 71mm crank and enlarged valves. I think it's a geat deal. Buying a used running 2.0 engine for $3-4k doesn't seem the way to go for me. Why do a used 2056 with 100hp, when you can get another 50 hp for a little more.

Lots of builders on the board here but all start at minimum $5k and go up fast. SCAT has been around for a long time and I've known others with their engines so I feel pretty confident I'll do ok.

Any advice on modifying my Weber 40 IDFs and intake for the larger engine? Do people still have intakes polished like in the old muscle car days?

Engine drop tonight...anyone looking for a good 1.7 core long block in the LA area? Cheap Cheap!

Air cooled motor assembly requires extremly skilled labor .thats all im saying

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[thelogo]

Im always in la canada and would love to pick up your ole 1.7 for cheap


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[Mayne]

Spoke to SCAT yesterday. Their 2056 for a 914 is $3900. 2.0 crank, 96mm cans. All new parts. Heads have standard valving. Rated 110hp with webers.

They can do a 2366 motor with 103mm cans and bigger valves for $4900. Rated 150 hp with Webers.

Both have a 12000/1 year warranty. No core.

If i buy all the pieces (crank, cam, cans, etc.) for a 2270 or 2366, how much would it be?...then just have my guy do the work on the existing motor.

I’m still interested in hearing more about this endeavor. One thought I have is if the larger stroker motor has more inherent risk, can SCAT build a 2056 but with better head work like they do on the 2366? It’s seems that with the right heads and cam people are getting 130hp from their 2056 motors. So maybe a bit less power but more durability.
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[preach]

Beautiful car.

What wheels are those, I love them.

[rhodyguy]

71mm crankshaft. Stock.

[914werke]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) a 2366 isnt a stroker motor. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[Mayne]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) a 2366 isnt a stroker motor. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Right, okay I understand the extra displacement is coming from the 103 pistons and cylinders not from the crank, so I shouldn’t have called it a stroker. But I guess my point, or question, was if the OP had SCAT build him a 2056 but with better head work, could he be content with the power? And would it improve the durability of SCAT motor? Since it seems that the 103 iron cylinders that SCAT suggests are problematic (see below), maybe it would.

IMHO the 103's with iron cylinders are a bad choice, over 96mm you need nickies.
I'm an engine builder, most of them turn-key and a LN dealer, I won't build an engine with 103 iron cylinders, I would rather (and have) pass on the job.

[falcor75]

"Cheap-Reliable-Fast, pick two." this 103 mm engine goes into the cheap and fast selection.

It will need more frequent rebuilds than a stroked engine with smaller diameter bores or nickies. What is "more frequent" well that all depends on the builder, the owner and the milage and its sortof the X-factor in this combo. One guy might think that tearing the engine apart every 24 months to check the bores for out of round etc is ok, another expects an engine that runs carefree for 10 years.

[Mark Henry]

"Cheap-Reliable-Fast, pick two." this 103 mm engine goes into the cheap and fast selection.

It will need more frequent rebuilds than a stroked engine with smaller diameter bores or nickies. What is "more frequent" well that all depends on the builder, the owner and the milage and its sortof the X-factor in this combo. One guy might think that tearing the engine apart every 24 months to check the bores for out of round etc is ok, another expects an engine that runs carefree for 10 years.

Exactly, I expect my (street) engines to go 60-80K before they need the heads serviced and with proper maintenance 150 -200K being totally realistic.
I drive my cars, no garage queens here. Plus I build engines, which means I hate working on my own cars, no fork'in way I'm building an engine that I've got to tear into every 16-20K.

To me 103 iron cylinders are a terrible ROI, I'd pick a 2056 or 2270 over an 103 iron jug engine every time. Raby won't build an engine with iron cylinders bigger than 96mm as well. Scat, like a lot of discount/volume builders doesn't care because they don't want to lose a sale, they just want the Benjamins.

[mepstein]

Their warranty-

All product warranties are limited to replacing or repairing any part or parts returned to SCAT, which upon SCAT’s inspection, are determined to be defective. Customer is responsible for paying freight on any products returned to SCAT. Warranty covers only the product itself, not labor, towing or other perceived damages. The warranty is expressly in lieu of all other warranties, express or implied.