 3.0L FAT performance engine for sale |
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| Cal |
 Mar 26 2019, 11:02 AM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 615 Joined: 19-November 14 From: Philadelphia Member No.: 18,138 Region Association: North East States  |
This looks like a very cool plug-play build....245HP is pretty impressive. Any guess as to what something like this is worth?
http://www.pristineautosusa.com/detail-197...-18741990.html# It's listed on eBay also.... https://www.ebay.com/itm/233176053778 Attached image(s)   
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| Tdskip |
Mar 26 2019, 11:36 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,686 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None 
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| bretth |
Mar 26 2019, 11:39 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 899 Joined: 23-June 15 From: Central TX Member No.: 18,882 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Holy crap. I wonder if you can could even count the miles in hundreds before the next rebuild. Maybe two races?
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| '73-914kid |
Mar 26 2019, 11:51 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,473 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Vista, CA Member No.: 9,714 Region Association: Southern California  |
Reminds me of the lifespan we jokingly assign to Formula SuperVee engines.. minutes, not hours.
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| mepstein |
Mar 26 2019, 12:08 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,286 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE('73-914kid @ Mar 26 2019, 01:51 PM)  Reminds me of the lifespan we jokingly assign to Formula SuperVee engines.. minutes, not hours. We had a big HP 356 engine at the shop. The builder called it a 30 hour engine. I think it dynoed at 220 but can't remember other than it made six (cylinder) horsepower. |
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| Tom_T |
Mar 26 2019, 01:03 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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Jeff -
You could just call or email FAT & see what they think it's worth, useful life & running characteristics. Ron at FAT also said that the bigger upbuilds like this runs hot, so you'd be stopping a lot in good warm/hot driving weather - if used for a pleasure/daily driver! Ron used to say that he can build a Type IV to any owner specs - depending upon how you wanted to use it, & that the <170 HP builds were better for street use. Unfortunately Ron has retired from FAT, so I don't run over to visit anymore (they're only 5 mins away). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
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| Mark Henry |
Mar 26 2019, 02:02 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
I always take HP claims with a grain of salt. My twin plug 3.0/6, webcams, weber's full balance, etc., is 250 to 280HP on paper and I think 280hp is very optimistic.
With a T4 245hp would be 61hp per jug, hard to break 50hp without nickies. Back in the early 90's I bought my Type 1 2007cc engine kit w/carbs from Gene Berg, cost me almost $5K. It Has P&P heads but stock valves so I could run heater boxes. I had several conversations with Gene and one I asked how much HP the engine would be, there was a moment of silence then he said "Do you want the truth or what the other guys say to make a sale?" I said truth, and he said "about 105hp", I gulped, because my buddy was finishing the same engine size (different supplier), slightly bigger cam and big valve/port heads and was claiming 150 hp. i still pulled the trigger and bought the Gene Berg kit. I raced my buddy many times and he could never beat me, not a huge amount but I always pulled away from him. so my 105hp always beat a 150hp engine in two almost identical VW bugs. Moral to the story, don't always believe HP claims, many builders exaggerate just to make a sale. |
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| RFoulds |
Mar 26 2019, 04:02 PM
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Green Teen 66 Group: Members Posts: 837 Joined: 10-August 09 From: La Quinta, CA Member No.: 10,656 Region Association: Southwest Region
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$3245 to install??
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| 914_teener |
Mar 26 2019, 06:50 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,200 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California |
I.ll take the odds of my M97 with an IMS any day.
It DOES make 300 HP. |
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| Mark Henry |
Mar 26 2019, 07:51 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(914_teener @ Mar 26 2019, 08:50 PM) I.ll take the odds of my M97 with an IMS any day. It DOES make 300 HP. It makes more than 300.... more like 355-360. When I build them out to 4 liters it's about 400hp. |
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| mepstein |
Mar 26 2019, 07:55 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,286 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Mar 26 2019, 09:51 PM) QUOTE(914_teener @ Mar 26 2019, 08:50 PM) I.ll take the odds of my M97 with an IMS any day. It DOES make 300 HP. It makes more than 300.... more like 355-360. When I build them out to 4 liters it's about 400hp. 400 canadian = 298 us. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) |
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| maf914 |
Mar 27 2019, 06:56 AM
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Not a Guru! Group: Members Posts: 3,049 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Central Florida Member No.: 632 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Mar 26 2019, 05:55 PM) QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Mar 26 2019, 09:51 PM) QUOTE(914_teener @ Mar 26 2019, 08:50 PM) I.ll take the odds of my M97 with an IMS any day. It DOES make 300 HP. It makes more than 300.... more like 355-360. When I build them out to 4 liters it's about 400hp. 400 canadian = 298 us. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Good one! |
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| Mark Henry |
Mar 27 2019, 08:26 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(mepstein @ Mar 26 2019, 09:55 PM) QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Mar 26 2019, 09:51 PM) QUOTE(914_teener @ Mar 26 2019, 08:50 PM) I.ll take the odds of my M97 with an IMS any day. It DOES make 300 HP. It makes more than 300.... more like 355-360. When I build them out to 4 liters it's about 400hp. 400 canadian = 298 us. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Pretty girls used to run when I told them my shlong is 23... But then my dad told me I had to keep that in my pants. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) |
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| 914_teener |
Mar 27 2019, 03:16 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,200 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Mar 27 2019, 07:26 AM) QUOTE(mepstein @ Mar 26 2019, 09:55 PM) QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Mar 26 2019, 09:51 PM) QUOTE(914_teener @ Mar 26 2019, 08:50 PM) I.ll take the odds of my M97 with an IMS any day. It DOES make 300 HP. It makes more than 300.... more like 355-360. When I build them out to 4 liters it's about 400hp. 400 canadian = 298 us. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Pretty girls used to run when I told them my shlong is 23... But then my dad told me I had to keep that in my pants. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) You guys are funny. That's why I still hang out here. |
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| rhodyguy |
Mar 28 2019, 11:34 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,082 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
I wonder what the price tag was for the built engine the customer brought in? The P.O. Found out it was too much engine after 5 miles?
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| mepstein |
Mar 28 2019, 12:26 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,286 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Mar 28 2019, 01:34 PM) I wonder what the price tag was for the built engine the customer brought in? The P.O. Found out it was too much engine after 5 miles? I’m guessing it was lousy for around town driving or maybe there is more to the story that isn’t getting told. Wife freaked out at money spent. Final bill wasn’t paid, etc. |
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| rhodyguy |
Mar 28 2019, 12:58 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,082 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
But the damage was already done. 'Maybe a 2056 would be better for cruising around town'. $20k build install package?
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| thelogo |
Mar 28 2019, 01:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,510 Joined: 6-April 10 Member No.: 11,572 Region Association: None |
This belongs in a baja bug imho
Or the dark corner of a Museum Too much engine .... I never heard of this Lotta other guys here haven't either. Not reliable engine yeh ive heard of those . There is one guy at cars an coffee with A 3.6 in his 914 with a carbon truck lid /spolier thing I would imagine the thing is as fast as a new 911 So never the case of too much |
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| Mark Henry |
Mar 28 2019, 03:26 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(mepstein @ Mar 28 2019, 02:26 PM) QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Mar 28 2019, 01:34 PM) I wonder what the price tag was for the built engine the customer brought in? The P.O. Found out it was too much engine after 5 miles? I’m guessing it was lousy for around town driving or maybe there is more to the story that isn’t getting told. Wife freaked out at money spent. Final bill wasn’t paid, etc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Likely all of the above and more. |
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