Pploco Sti-defiling a 914, such a BLAST! Options

[pploco]

I've got the hell hole fixed. I've removed the engine tray tin, and have been cleaning things up to prep and treat with zerorust, but wanted to wait until it warmed up a little. I decided to switch gears a little and focus on the motor and mockup.

I picked up a 2004 STI motor from an auction for 1200 bucks plus shipping. The description said it was part of a theft recovery and was missing the turbo. There wasn't a lot of detail, other than 104K miles on the clock and a receipt in the glove box that the timing belt had been changed at 90K miles. I knew it might end up being a box of rocks, but I figured that all the peripherals - manifolds, brackets, oil pan, etc would be worth what I paid. I decided to roll the dice and hope that the heads and internals weren't junk.

I used Uship to find a cheap carrier, and for 300 bucks UPS delivered the motor to my driveway. Pretty good deal if you ask me.

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The motor didn't look too bad, but it smelled terrible. I can't really describe the stank, but it was bad. It smelled like water had mixed with oil and festered for several months. Damn! probably a blown head gasket. Oh well, I thought, I would at least use it for some mock up.

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Ian (Coldwater) lives in Boise, and so I called him up and begged him to hook me up with a cradle. BTW, he said he's still making these - they just take longer because he's super busy these days.

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About the same time, I picked up a '99 RS transmission. More on that later...

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Mocking the motor up, I verified that I would need to cut some of the trunk to fit the 20G turbo, the clutch slave, and starter.

I wanted to brace the two rear towers, strengthen the corner that connects to the long, and have something to fasten the trans pitch stop to. I plan to go water/air IC and route the charge pipe similar to DBCooper's setup, over to the driver's side.

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I think this turned out pretty good - even though I used a ghetto homemade metal brake. Basically pipe wrenches, a vice, a 2x4, and a piece of angle iron.


Oh yeah.... and some motor porn:

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[pploco]

I built the shortblock a couple of weeks back. I was in a bit of a hurry and got the heads torqued, cams installed, AVCS installed, and the valve covers on. As I was cleaning up my bench, I noticed a ARP washer sitting under a rag... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

I panicked a little, threw a wrench, and practiced a few farm words. While building the block, I'd had a little scare when I was torquing one of the head studs when the timesert shifted a little and made a popping sound. I was sure I had just stripped my newly built block, so I pulled the head back off and checked everything. Once I realized what had happened and that it was a false alarm, I put everything back together using one of two spare headgaskets I had - but in my fit, I forgot to put one of the washers on. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

So I spent some time taking the head back off, burning another head gasket, and installing the washer I forgot. While the head was back off, I took a picture for your viewing pleasure.

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These heads were rebuilt by a local shop with new valves, guides and springs. I wish I had a before picture, because these things were a mess.

Got the head torqued down AGAIN, with the washer installed, and started installing the cams.

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I hate doing things over because of my own stupidity.


On a brighter note, my weekend started with a box waiting for me on the doorstep (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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I also got a box from Rockauto that had a timing belt kit with all timing idler pulleys. Fun fact - if you're ever replacing a timing belt or head gaskets on a Subie, its always a good idea to check and possibly replace the idler pulleys. I've had one grenade on me and ruin an engine. I had another one that started going bad and it made the timing belt jump a cog - what a pain that was. You have to be careful on some of the kits that are offered - some are just Chinese garbage. The challenge is that the stealership charges a ridiculous price for each pulley - like $80 bucks each. The OEM timing belt alone is over $100. Truthfully, I don't use anything but the OEM timing belt.

I found a kit that I like from Contitech that comes with a timing belt and all the individual idler pulleys. When you look at the pulleys side by side, the bearings are the same as OEM. The Continental timing belt that comes in the kit is German made. The whole kit was only $121 bucks plus shipping. I can sell the Continental timing belt on NASIOC for $40.


Also a few Subaru motor building tips:

First - when installing cam seals, this is the best/cheapest tool out there. The proper Subaru tool is spendy - this baby costs 80 cents and has a perfect collar that prevents the seal from being driven too far.

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Second - Subaru recommends using a gasket filler when assembling engines. There's a lot of debate here on what to use. Some guys use ultra grey RTV, or Hondabond as an alternative to the Subaru filler. I REALLY like and prefer the Subaru ThreeBond stuff

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Its much easier to work with than the thick Hondabond, and I've yet to have a motor leak with it. It also cleans up easier - you know if you have to pull the head off cuz you forgot a washer. The only challenge with it, is that it can be kinda runny. You don't have to use a lot, but when you're working around the AVCS cap, there are some oil galleys that are right next to where you're supposed to seal. I use a small ziptie right after torquing the cap to push through the galley and twist around to clean out the filler. If you shine a flashlight from behind the cap toward the front, you can see if there is anything blocking the galley.

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Lets just say I learned this trick at the school of hard knocks - a seized cam is no fun.

Third - There are two OEM water pumps for the Subaru WRX/STI turbos. At some point Subaru started manufacturing a cheaper water pump with a stamped impeller. Crawford has a few tech docs that show the differences in flow between the two pumps. Hands down, the cast impeller outperforms the stamped one. You can still buy OEM cast impeller pumps for about the same price as a stamped one. With the additional volume and coolant line lengths in these conversions, it makes sense to me to go for the cast version.

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So, I got 2 cam seals, oil pan, oil cooler, tensioner, water pump, and one of the idlers installed. For some reason my gasket kit only had 2 cam seals, so I have to wait a few days for the others to show up.

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[oldschool]

I started cutting back to find solid metal. Luckily, the long wasn't bad, and I probably cut more out of the inner fender well than I needed. There was definitely one annoying little corner in the firewall that was a booger to clean up.

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It was nice to see that the inside of the long wasn't completely rotten. I probed with my chisel and body hammer and found a little spot at the bottom of the long.

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But there was solid metal to work with. Sorry for the shady picture..

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I was relieved to see some factory primer peeking through the sides and bottom. Once I vacuumed all the rust and flake out, it looked pretty good overall. I didn't get a good picture, but just in front of the firewall toward the front of the car is all factory primed metal. I'll have to open up the bottom and weld in a patch, but it should be minimal. My plan is to open it up, clean and scrape and then treat with phospho and some frame wax.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) ..wow I need to do that same job if you are using a chip board template please.
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[pploco]

Oh yeah, and some motor porn:

https://youtu.be/ZS4hDJLt5qU

[pploco]

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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) ..wow I need to do that same job if you are using a chip board template please.
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I'll check, but I think I tossed the template I made.

[oldschool]

[quote name='pploco' date='Apr 15 2019, 02:19 PM' post='2705528']
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) ..wow I need to do that same job if you are using a chip board template please.
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I'll check, but I think I tossed the template I made.
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No worries Thanks!

[whitetwinturbo]

I started cutting back to find solid metal. Luckily, the long wasn't bad, and I probably cut more out of the inner fender well than I needed. There was definitely one annoying little corner in the firewall that was a booger to clean up.

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It was nice to see that the inside of the long wasn't completely rotten. I probed with my chisel and body hammer and found a little spot at the bottom of the long.

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But there was solid metal to work with. Sorry for the shady picture..

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I was relieved to see some factory primer peeking through the sides and bottom. Once I vacuumed all the rust and flake out, it looked pretty good overall. I didn't get a good picture, but just in front of the firewall toward the front of the car is all factory primed metal. I'll have to open up the bottom and weld in a patch, but it should be minimal. My plan is to open it up, clean and scrape and then treat with phospho and some frame wax.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) ..wow I need to do that same job if you are using a chip board template please.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) save and sent to me.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif) ........went and got a tetanus shot after reading and watching his build (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

[pploco]

Sorry, not many updates, I've been in India for a few weeks with work. I got home on Saturday and was in a half asleep coma for a couple of days with the jet lag. Travel to Asia can really suck but it pays for these types of projects. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I did manage to get the timing belt, and the timing cover installed (twice) on my motor. In my jet lagged stupor, I got the timing covers on without putting the cam avcs caps on. So I had to pull it all back off and put the caps back on. Not a huge deal, but I'm glad I caught it.

I also pulled all the fuel lines, evap, and harness from the intake. I plan to strip the flaking paint off and repaint it.

I read through another thread and found that my coldwater cradle might put my suby trans a couple of inches too far forward. This creates too aggressive an angle for the CVs. Can anyone confirm this is accurate?

[pploco]

Got a call from Jeff at Autoventures LLC that my harness was finished and ready to be shipped. I'm pretty stoked about this - mostly because I didn't have to do the harness myself. I shopped around and found Jeff to be the best deal. They were great to work with and I would highly recommend them.

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[mepstein]

Got a call from Jeff at Autoventures LLC that my harness was finished and ready to be shipped. I'm pretty stoked about this - mostly because I didn't have to do the harness myself. I shopped around and found Jeff to be the best deal. They were great to work with and I would highly recommend them.

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Jeff Robenolt He did my suby harness. I agree with everything you said.

[ConeDodger]

Is this Renegade stuff?

[mepstein]

Is this Renegade stuff?

Coldwater cradle.

[Andyrew]

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[pploco]

The defiling continues:

I got quite a bit done on the car last week. I decided to paint the chipped intake and try to get it back to the original red. NHT makes a wrinkle paint that is supposed to be tough as nails. So I put some chemical strip on the intake and brushed off the old paint. I hit it with some self etch primer and 3 or 4 thick coats of this stuff. I also did the TGV butterfly valve delete mod and painted the TGVs in black wrinkle.

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It turned out pretty good, but I couldn't live with the nasty A/C and pwr steering bracket. so I painted those two and the DBW throttle body. Then I put the crusty exhaust, alternator, A/C compressor, and crank pulley back on for mock up. I'm definitely going to replace the exhaust manifold and crank pulley.

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I also got the turbo set temporarily, the motor is off the stand and sitting on the cradle for some mock up. Now its time to work the transmission over.

[pploco]

I found another transmission that I couldn't pass up on. I had originally found a '99 impreza RS transmission to use, but after a bit of research realized that the push-type clutch, and the hydraulic conversion were a bit of a pain to get to work with the STI motor. So I picked up an '04 WRX tranmission with a broken center diff for cheap.

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I pulled the nose cone off and disassembled the center diff. I expected to see it in bad shape, but it wasn't too bad. The little spacer on the spider gear had broken, but it hadn't done any major damage aside from locking the rear in. I guess I didn't realize that the WRX had a clutch pack in the center diff - it had definitely seen better days and went right in the trash.

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So I thought I'd take a crack at making a center lock. I started following this write up, but realized that there are some differences in this transmission so it threw me off a bit.

The write up says to slice this:

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then weld the inside sleeve to the outside sleeve, and cut the flange off -

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You end up with this:

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Here's my question. Why would you cut the flange off as it rides on the bearing that goes here?:

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It seems like you would want to keep the sleeve on so it continues to sit on the bearing. The other question I have is if you use a cut sleeve (or use the Bremar spline locking spool) how do you prevent it moving backwards off the shafts?

Wouldn't it be better for me to do something like this?

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Or just pull the spider gears and clutch pack out and weld here:

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It would prevent the locked spool from moving laterally or horizontally and working its way off the splines??

[pploco]

I went back through each step and realized that you use the nut to keep it from backing out. I still think it needs to rest on the bearing to keep the shaft from moving up and down. Maybe I’m overthinking.

[pploco]

In yer face Bremar!

I had a couple of free hours last night, so I decided to take a crack at making a FWD locking spool out of a fooked WRX center diff. It was pretty straightforward and I was able to pull the little coupler off the shaft to tack in place. The welds penetrated pretty deep, so it should stay together (I hope it does). I put it back on with a lock washer and bent the little nut keepers back once I tightened it down. Here's to hoping it will withstand 300+ HP.

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I thought I'd put the trans on the cradle and temporarily bolt it to the motor while I find some aluminum to make a back plate. I still need a clutch, but I can start mocking things in now.

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Oh the bad things I'm going to do to this drive train....

[pploco]

I spent a few days in the garage this weekend on the conversion. At Chi-town's suggestion, I pulled the coupler back out and squared it off and rewelded; then put it back in with some locktite.

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My son called me a chicken for not attempting a back plate. So I went salvaging and found a 12"X12"X1/2" plate for 20 bucks. After two sawzall blades, three cutoff wheels, and a skinned knuckle, I managed to get one that looked half decent. My son says its the perfect spot for a mighty mouse sticker - we'll see about that....

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I got the transmission mounted, and bolted everything to the car. Then I laid on the garage floor for about an hour afterwards. Whew, that was a wrestling match.

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And there's room to spare

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I've still got to figure out some better motor mounts. The stock mounts let the cradle hang too far down. And with the stock STI mounts, I'm not going to really need the rubber Porsche mounts. My plan is to have something fabbed up with urethane - dunno, I'll cross that bridge later. For now, the motor and trans are set so I can start mocking up coolant and clutch lines, intercooler, and axles. This felt like a big milestone. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

[pploco]

I decided to take a shot at some DIY urethane motor mounts. The stock STI mounts keep the engine a few inches higher on the cradle so the oil pan doesn't hang down too low. I have plenty of clearance on the top of the motor.

I started by taking the cracked and brittle Porsche motor mounts and hit them with the torch to get the center bushing out. After a bit of cleanup and trimming:

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Here's what I'm left with:

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They sell a coloring agent to make these more purdee, but I didn't want to pay the extra 20 bucks. I created a mold with some cardboard and aluminum tubing. The trick was getting a non binding agent like WD40 or candle wax (which is what I used) on the surfaces I didn't want this rubber to stick to. Hot glue was used to seal everything, and I poured the compound into the mold. 18 hours later, I'm left with this:

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This stuff is solid - it feels almost like a skateboard wheel.

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These are the perfect height now - kinda cool.

I also spent some time getting the radiator mocked in. I've got to do a bit of trimming to get the radiator inlet to clear some of the metal in the frunk - not a big deal. I picked up some rubber grommets on Amazon. My plan is to build some cribbing that holds the radiator with these upper and lower grommets, then I'll have something to rivet some aluminum sheeting to for ducting. I want to keep the radiator as far forward as possible, while allowing enough space for an A/C condenser and intercooler heat exchanger - and having enough space on the top so the hood can close.

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[pploco]

With the 4 day weekend and perfect weather, I had to take a break from work, put the 914 project on hold for a bit, and chase my 2nd passion. I took my son and a couple of his friends up into the Whiteclouds to enjoy a little backpacking and fishing in some of the most beautiful country on earth.

Summers in Idaho mean backpacking for my son and me. This trip, we started at the 4th of July Lake trailhead, made our way into Ant's basin, climbed Devil's Staircase (more like Satan's rickety ladder if you ask me) up over 10K feet, dropped into Cornice lake, and made our way down into Quiet lake for a couple nights. The scenery and fishing were spectacular. I couldn't believe how much snow is still up there. Luckily Quiet wasn't iced over as were some of the higher lakes.

We hiked back out over Patterson's peak for an incredible view of the Whiteclouds and Sawtooth's to the west. This is definitely a do-over trip - as soon as my legs stop aching. We pulled about 18 miles in total, but the elevation changes made it feel like 50. What a great way to spend a few days.


Looking out over Ant's Basin to the north.
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Approaching Devil's Staircase - from the base to the top (called "Windy Devil) is only about 1/2 mile - but it took a good three hours to climb.
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The north side of Windy Devil. Just over my head you can see the snow bank we had to slide down before climbing down the steep scree. That's Cornice lake (mostly frozen) to my left.
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The descent to Quiet lake from Cornice. Castle Peak is in the background.
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Quiet Lake
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View of Castle Peak from Patterson's Peak on our way out.
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View of the Sawtooth's to the west from Patterson's
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