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Blank Slate, Just got a '70 and Im going to town. Tell Me what I should build |
Wadesbrain |
May 21 2019, 10:42 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: 29-April 19 From: Mount Bethel, Pa Member No.: 23,073 Region Association: North East States |
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horizontally-opposed |
May 21 2019, 10:53 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,430 Joined: 12-May 04 From: San Francisco Member No.: 2,058 Region Association: None |
Went down the hot four route before changing directions and going with a small six. Sounds amazing, I trust a flat six with 150+ hp more than a Type IV with that kind of power, and 200hp is all you need (!) in a narrow car. No regrets, but it is heavier.
If I was starting with a blank slate on a car I had no history with, I'd do a 914 with the look of a factory 914-6 GT but build it very light with a 2.5-liter STi flat four and transmission or maybe a 718 GTS engine + transmission. 400 hp to push 1800-1900 lbs with a decent interior should be doable, and would be a blast. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
mepstein |
May 21 2019, 10:55 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,222 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
If you already have the engines, I wouldn’t hesitate.
Check out 914-6Werkshop.com for all the best conversion parts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) |
76-914 |
May 21 2019, 11:11 AM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,485 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California |
I assume you have already assessed the rust and repair costs to restore it because that alone can change ones spendable income amount quickly. Once that's been addressed throw the 3.6 in there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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Mark Henry |
May 21 2019, 12:12 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
A T4 can be built reliable to 160hp, 180hp with nickies, but once in the nickies price territory you should start looking hard at a /6.
Most T4 big engines failures can be linked to poor combo choices and inferior parts. |
sixnotfour |
May 21 2019, 12:13 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,406 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
i would like to see one of these in a 914 someday
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mepstein |
May 21 2019, 12:24 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,222 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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914_teener |
May 21 2019, 12:33 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,193 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California |
Went down the hot four route before changing directions and going with a small six. Sounds amazing, I trust a flat six with 150+ hp more than a Type IV with that kind of power, and 200hp is all you need (!) in a narrow car. No regrets, but it is heavier. If I was starting with a blank slate on a car I had no history with, I'd do a 914 with the look of a factory 914-6 GT but build it very light with a 2.5-liter STi flat four and transmission or maybe a 718 GTS engine + transmission. 400 hp to push 1800-1900 lbs with a decent interior should be doable, and would be a blast. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) I'm with Pete. Do a small six and keep the car as stock as possible, with one exception.......with nobody wanting to buy a 718 new...just wait a few years and you have a 400 HP car with AC for half the price with a 4 banger. Why got through all the effort to put it in a 914. IMHO. |
horizontally-opposed |
May 21 2019, 12:38 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,430 Joined: 12-May 04 From: San Francisco Member No.: 2,058 Region Association: None |
I'm with Pete. Do a small six and keep the car as stock as possible, with one exception.......with nobody wanting to buy a 718 new...just wait a few years and you have a 400 HP car with AC for half the price with a 4 banger. Why got through all the effort to put it in a 914. IMHO. One reason, as your logic is irrefutable: Because a 718 is 700-1000 pounds heavier than the 914 I am thinking of with the same engine (and, I think, better looking to boot). I suspect it would be a blast. Ideal mid-engined combo for me would be a 987.2 Boxster S or Spyder (or Cayman S or R) 6MT with all the comforts and then a wild 914 hot rod. |
sixnotfour |
May 21 2019, 12:41 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,406 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
i would like to see one of these in a 914 someday Beautiful engine. Too bad you see so little if it in a 914. The 911 was built to showcase the fan. In Work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Attached image(s) |
thelogo |
May 21 2019, 12:45 PM
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Senior Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,510 Joined: 6-April 10 Member No.: 11,572 Region Association: None |
Ford v6 ecoboost with paddle shift
You could have your own little gt40 or noble For a 10th the money |
Cairo94507 |
May 21 2019, 12:50 PM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,703 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
Nice starting point. I would make sure the chassis is rust free in all critical areas first. If it were me, I would do a GT inspired car with a 6, which ever you want of the two. I would consider the Tangerine Racing metal flares as well as the traditional GT flares. I would go with the Tangerine if it were my car just because it will stand out in the group a bit more.
The slope is steep and slippery so pencil it all out first and then add 30% more to the budget for all of the stuff you forgot...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
mepstein |
May 21 2019, 01:08 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,222 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
i would like to see one of these in a 914 someday Beautiful engine. Too bad you see so little if it in a 914. The 911 was built to showcase the fan. In Work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I’m guessing we are looking at $30K + |
sixnotfour |
May 21 2019, 01:34 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,406 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Blank Slate,,,,,,
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Mark Henry |
May 21 2019, 01:34 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
I'm with Pete. Do a small six and keep the car as stock as possible, with one exception.......with nobody wanting to buy a 718 new...just wait a few years and you have a 400 HP car with AC for half the price with a 4 banger. Why got through all the effort to put it in a 914. IMHO. One reason, as your logic is irrefutable: Because a 718 is 700-1000 pounds heavier than the 914 I am thinking of with the same engine (and, I think, better looking to boot). I suspect it would be a blast. Ideal mid-engined combo for me would be a 987.2 Boxster S or Spyder (or Cayman S or R) 6MT with all the comforts and then a wild 914 hot rod. Likely too wide without some serious suspension mods, M96/97 engines are too wide. Plus add the fact that they are damn heavy and a rebuild cost as much as a hot rod /6, it would be cheaper/easier to do an LS engine. |
sixnotfour |
May 21 2019, 01:36 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,406 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
REDRUM it
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gereed75 |
May 21 2019, 02:29 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,239 Joined: 19-March 13 From: Pittsburgh PA Member No.: 15,674 Region Association: North East States |
If it were me (and of course this all depends on budget), use the 3 liter six that you have, PMO's or EFI ITB's, Tangerine flairs, 915 with cable shift, 914 werkes conversion stuff, FRP hood, trunk and bumpers, Watkins Glenn seats from GTS (with a cool tartan) 911 front suspension, 944 brakes maybe in Steve McQueen Slate Grey.
I agree about big four builds, no personal experience but I am thinking that by the time you build a reliable 180 hp four youll be close to a solid 3.0 liter build with way more grunt and longevity. If you dont think a six is a good idea, check out Bob's video below. Unrestrained budget - I might do the Polo motor with EFI and a 901 just to be different and preserve the light weight agility of a four ! |
dr914@autoatlanta.com |
May 21 2019, 02:32 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,811 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
if the body has not been damaged, keep it stock and repaint the original color,
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porschetub |
May 21 2019, 03:17 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,696 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
If you already have the engines, I wouldn’t hesitate. Check out 914-6Werkshop.com for all the best conversion parts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) if you have the motor its a huge chunk of $$$$ you have saved,get the body up to scratch,upgrade brakes etc,in between slowly buy up the parts for the conversion ,be prepared to spent a fair chunk of cash for these parts...it really mounts up in the end. Which ever motor you choose you could easily offset the conversion cost by selling off one of the motors and have change left over for the body/running gear. Each of the motors you have will provide plenty of power but each one has its own merits dependant on what you want from the car. You will not regret fitting a six to your car ...period. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) |
mb911 |
May 21 2019, 03:20 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 6,801 Joined: 2-January 09 From: Burlington wi Member No.: 9,892 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
There is no sweeter sound then a 6 and you already have 2 that you can choose from.. The 3.6 complicates things a little bit with exhaust options depending on year and would likely do a 3.0 myself .. Conversion parts will cost about 6-7 k. My website is 914-6werkshop.com if your looking for pricing or contact me for suggestions..
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