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Think faded Copper Metallic can be paint matched? |
Tdskip |
Jul 16 2019, 11:17 AM
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Tdskip |
Jul 18 2019, 01:21 PM
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Clever idea Bob, had not thought of that.
Thanks |
DRPHIL914 |
Jul 19 2019, 07:11 AM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,766 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States |
Clever idea Bob, had not thought of that. Thanks ah, I sugguested it on my first post...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) |
Tdskip |
Jul 19 2019, 04:07 PM
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Clever idea Bob, had not thought of that. Thanks ah, I sugguested it on my first post...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Hi - Bob suggested leaving the clear off but your post suggested spraying it. I do appreciate all the ideas and responses. I have some welding to do on this one, will keep everyone posted. Thanks! |
mzalanka |
Jul 19 2019, 05:52 PM
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Just saw this thread. Awesome that you have a 75 copper car! As you know it was a one-year color and is one of the rarest of all the 914 colors. I went through the VIN registry a while back and estimated that there were probably less than 20 left, at least in the US.
Not at all bragging - because it is a source of great pain (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) - I may have more experience than anyone on the planet with Copper Metallic paint/wraps. I painted my 914 twice with L99K (first color coat didn't take, had to sand, reprime, respray, reclear). That's the one in the classifieds. I also own a - wait for it - copper wrapped 968. No joke. Copper Metallic L99K is a really hard color to spray. The metallic likes to mottle and it's got to be sprayed under near-perfect conditions to avoid that. If I were to do it again I would go with super high grade basecoat - like Glasurit 90. The upside is that, for some reason, this color runs cheap. IIRC, it's only like 3-4 components so it's not hard for the supplier to mix. 3m makes a Liquid Copper wrap in their 1080 grade which is really really nice. It's more orange than L99K but it's probably close enough for a driver. I had it on my 968 3 years and it wore extremely well in the PNW winter. Wrapping well is REALLY hard. If you have not done it before it is NOTHING like the youtube videos. The stuff sticks to everything; it tears; it color shifts when you try to heat it. OTOH, it's REALLY cheap compared with paint. You can get 75 feet of 3M 1080 wrap on Amazon for less than half what you would pay for just color & clear alone. So when you screw up, you just pull it off and start over. On that car, you could leave it on forever because you're not exactly worried about what's going to happen to the paint when you take it off. If you go for it, I would vote to try wrapping. If you spray it, estimate about $800-$1K for materials if you go PPG on the low end (color and clear), much more if you go Glasurit etc. Of course Maaco is a different story... not a terrible idea really if its a driver and you do the prep yourself... It was over 200 hours of work prepping and painting my car. Here's a mottled respray - this is 6 coats of color and 4 clear - mottling is purely due to technique not prep or coverage: Here's the corrected respray (did I mention this car is for sale? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ): For purposes of comparison - this is my 968 (it's no longer that color and I did NOT do the wrap myself): |
DRPHIL914 |
Jul 19 2019, 06:09 PM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,766 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States |
Just saw this thread. Awesome that you have a 75 copper car! As you know it was a one-year color and is one of the rarest of all the 914 colors. I went through the VIN registry a while back and estimated that there were probably less than 20 left, at least in the US. Not at all bragging - because it is a source of great pain (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) - I may have more experience than anyone on the planet with Copper Metallic paint/wraps. I painted my 914 twice with L99K (first color coat didn't take, had to sand, reprime, respray, reclear). That's the one in the classifieds. I also own a - wait for it - copper wrapped 968. No joke. Copper Metallic L99K is a really hard color to spray. The metallic likes to mottle and it's got to be sprayed under near-perfect conditions to avoid that. If I were to do it again I would go with super high grade basecoat - like Glasurit 90. The upside is that, for some reason, this color runs cheap. IIRC, it's only like 3-4 components so it's not hard for the supplier to mix. 3m makes a Liquid Copper wrap in their 1080 grade which is really really nice. It's more orange than L99K but it's probably close enough for a driver. I had it on my 968 3 years and it wore extremely well in the PNW winter. Wrapping well is REALLY hard. If you have not done it before it is NOTHING like the youtube videos. The stuff sticks to everything; it tears; it color shifts when you try to heat it. OTOH, it's REALLY cheap compared with paint. You can get 75 feet of 3M 1080 wrap on Amazon for less than half what you would pay for just color & clear alone. So when you screw up, you just pull it off and start over. On that car, you could leave it on forever because you're not exactly worried about what's going to happen to the paint when you take it off. If you go for it, I would vote to try wrapping. If you spray it, estimate about $800-$1K for materials if you go PPG on the low end (color and clear), much more if you go Glasurit etc. Of course Maaco is a different story... not a terrible idea really if its a driver and you do the prep yourself... It was over 200 hours of work prepping and painting my car. Here's a mottled respray - this is 6 coats of color and 4 clear - mottling is purely due to technique not prep or coverage: Here's the corrected respray (did I mention this car is for sale? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ): For purposes of comparison - this is my 968 (it's no longer that color and I did NOT do the wrap myself): Your post and this experiment you had with your car make me appreciate just how good a job Mike did painting my car. It really is a beautiful color. The OP said the car was resprayed copper but was originally blue. I think with all that it should either go back to blue or if he doesn’t want to spend that much wrap it, and do any color you want. The Copper mentally 3 M is super nice I’ve seen it on another car in person. And sometimes I wish I had because I am so uptight and worried about damaging the paint that I don’t enjoy the car the way I used to. So I would love to have a DD car again and I think I would wrap it, but I will vote for original on a rare color every time. Good luck to OP and I look forward to seeing what you decide to do. |
mzalanka |
Jul 19 2019, 06:17 PM
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OMG, yes, anyone who can color spray metallics well is a certifiable wizard.
I will never, ever - as long as I live - never paint another car. $10K is an absolute bargain for a quality respray. Nothing I've ever done on my car was as difficult or as heartbreaking as painting. I have infinite respect for paint guys/gals. As an aside - that copper wrap completely destroyed the original paint on my 968, despite what the seller/3M said. I would not recommend wrapping a car with the expectation that the paint will survive - perhaps on a brand new car off the lot it would be fine - but on a car with any prior bodywork the paint will be toast. For instance, my hood was re-sprayed before the PO wrapped it and it came out absolutely perfect; both fenders had older work, however, and the vinyl ripped off thigh-sized sheets of clear and color. (That was, as you might expect, a bad day.) Certainly this wouldn’t be a big deal on a car where it would need a re-spray anyway, as it would be no big deal to sand the clear flush after the vinyl comes off for a new coat. Expect though that it’s totally going to lift the clear, color, maybe even take some Bondo with it wherever there are prior repairs. Learn from my errors. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
Chris914n6 |
Jul 19 2019, 07:49 PM
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Was is hot or cold when it was removed?
OMG, yes, anyone who can color spray metallics well is a certifiable wizard. I will never, ever - as long as I live - never paint another car. $10K is an absolute bargain for a quality respray. Nothing I've ever done on my car was as difficult or as heartbreaking as painting. I have infinite respect for paint guys/gals. As an aside - that copper wrap completely destroyed the original paint on my 968, despite what the seller/3M said. I would not recommend wrapping a car with the expectation that the paint will survive - perhaps on a brand new car off the lot it would be fine - but on a car with any prior bodywork the paint will be toast. For instance, my hood was re-sprayed before the PO wrapped it and it came out absolutely perfect; both fenders had older work, however, and the vinyl ripped off thigh-sized sheets of clear and color. (That was, as you might expect, a bad day.) Certainly this wouldn’t be a big deal on a car where it would need a re-spray anyway, as it would be no big deal to sand the clear flush after the vinyl comes off for a new coat. Expect though that it’s totally going to lift the clear, color, maybe even take some Bondo with it wherever there are prior repairs. Learn from my errors. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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