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John
post Aug 13 2019, 09:09 AM
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I tried searching, but didn't get much.

What is involved with fitting a 2.7 with CIS in a 914? I can figure out the plumbing and the electrical, but I believe that I had read long ago that it was a PITA to fit CIS without cutting anything or perhaps a mixture of different parts could be used or parts of the intake could be relocated in order to get it all to fit. I'd prefer to avoid cutting this 914 engine compartment since I'm trying to make this one appear mostly factory. Any advice or better yet pictures would be appreciated.

I'd rather not go with carbs, since I believe that I'd need to swap cams and pistons in order to do it right.

This one is only going to be a fun street car (I already have a dedicated track car)

(All my conversion experience has been with 3.2s, but I have this body, and I have this engine...)


Thanks in advance!
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post Aug 13 2019, 10:14 AM
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You actually rotate the cis 180 degrees and rebolt down.. It is pretty straight forward..

Let me know if I can help.. Also note the naro mount drops the height of the engine approximately 3/4" and will NOT allow for a stock scavange line..
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QUOTE(mb911 @ Aug 13 2019, 08:14 AM) *

You actually rotate the cis 180 degrees and rebolt down.. It is pretty straight forward..

Let me know if I can help.. Also note the naro mount drops the height of the engine approximately 3/4" and will NOT allow for a stock scavange line..


Do you know for a fact that it's possible to rotate the intake 180 degrees and have it fit or did you hear that second hand? I can try that on a stand and see if it all works before attempting to stuff it in the car.

I will probably make my own mount and sheet metal again. It worked well with the 3.2s I did.

P.S. I may want to talk to you about exhaust.
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post Aug 13 2019, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(mb911 @ Aug 13 2019, 08:14 AM) *

You actually rotate the cis 180 degrees and rebolt down.. It is pretty straight forward..

Let me know if I can help.. Also note the naro mount drops the height of the engine approximately 3/4" and will NOT allow for a stock scavange line..


Do you know for a fact that it's possible to rotate the intake 180 degrees and have it fit or did you hear that second hand? I can try that on a stand and see if it all works before attempting to stuff it in the car.

I will probably make my own mount and sheet metal again. It worked well with the 3.2s I did.

P.S. I may want to talk to you about exhaust.

I have a conversion with a 2.7 running CIS. The you can rotate it no prob. Mine fit with minimal strife and modification. It is hours away from me at a body shop and the engine is out so cant take new pics, but if you search my conversion all the pics are there.
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I have a conversion with a 2.7 running CIS. The you can rotate it no prob. Mine fit with minimal strife and modification. It is hours away from me at a body shop and the engine is out so cant take new pics, but if you search my conversion all the pics are there.


Tried searching, but came up with nothing. You have given me hope that it will fit. I suppose I need to go for it and see what I need to change in order to get it to fit.
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I have a conversion with a 2.7 running CIS. The you can rotate it no prob. Mine fit with minimal strife and modification. It is hours away from me at a body shop and the engine is out so cant take new pics, but if you search my conversion all the pics are there.


Tried searching, but came up with nothing. You have given me hope that it will fit. I suppose I need to go for it and see what I need to change in order to get it to fit.


Ya, I tried searching as well. Did the conversion in 2005. Had good pics and notes. Cant find it. Tried to use google as well...found lots of my transmission propaganda, but not my car. If you can find my threads from about 2004-2007 you will see good pics and info on what I did and fought with. I took out the rain tray and cut the engine bat release cable and tube out and make it pin down type. This gave me plenty of room. You unscrew the pressure manifold and simply rotate it and screw it back in. IIRC, 3 screws so can actually rotate less than 180, or more. I moved mine sideways, if I am not mistaken. Pics on home computer.

Fuel pump plumbing is different. Need the fuel pump, very high pressure. I replaced all my hoses with clear, new hoses for like $12 from NAPA. I did find the thread mentioning that. Boil water and push on to nipples, hard (man, that reads wrong).

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QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Aug 13 2019, 01:41 PM) *

QUOTE(John @ Aug 13 2019, 01:31 PM) *

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I have a conversion with a 2.7 running CIS. The you can rotate it no prob. Mine fit with minimal strife and modification. It is hours away from me at a body shop and the engine is out so cant take new pics, but if you search my conversion all the pics are there.


Tried searching, but came up with nothing. You have given me hope that it will fit. I suppose I need to go for it and see what I need to change in order to get it to fit.


Ya, I tried searching as well. Did the conversion in 2005. Had good pics and notes. Cant find it. Tried to use google as well...found lots of my transmission propaganda, but not my car. If you can find my threads from about 2004-2007 you will see good pics and info on what I did and fought with. I took out the rain tray and cut the engine bat release cable and tube out and make it pin down type. This gave me plenty of room. You unscrew the pressure manifold and simply rotate it and screw it back in. IIRC, 3 screws so can actually rotate less than 180, or more. I moved mine sideways, if I am not mistaken. Pics on home computer.

Fuel pump plumbing is different. Need the fuel pump, very high pressure. I replaced all my hoses with clear, new hoses for like $12 from NAPA. I did find the thread mentioning that. Boil water and push on to nipples, hard (man, that reads wrong).

Mike - is that engine in your green car?
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John   2.7 CIS   Aug 13 2019, 09:09 AM
GregAmy   Contact Chris Foley, Tangerine Racing. He was invo...   Aug 13 2019, 09:16 AM
Porschef   I still kick myself daily for not buying that car...   Aug 13 2019, 09:29 AM
John   Contact Chris Foley, Tangerine Racing. He was inv...   Aug 13 2019, 10:23 AM
Tdskip   Subscribing. I have been told it is possible, mayb...   Aug 13 2019, 09:19 AM
mb911   You actually rotate the cis 180 degrees and rebolt...   Aug 13 2019, 10:14 AM
John   You actually rotate the cis 180 degrees and rebol...   Aug 13 2019, 10:28 AM
Dr Evil   You actually rotate the cis 180 degrees and rebo...   Aug 13 2019, 11:01 AM
John   Tried searching, but came up with nothing. You ...   Aug 13 2019, 11:31 AM
Dr Evil   Tried searching, but came up with nothing. You...   Aug 13 2019, 11:41 AM
mepstein   Tried searching, but came up with nothing. Yo...   Aug 13 2019, 02:39 PM
sixnotfour   [quote name='Dr Evil' post='2738008' date='Aug 13...   Aug 13 2019, 02:59 PM
Dr Evil   [quote name='Dr Evil' post='2738008' date='Aug 1...   Aug 14 2019, 06:13 AM
Jetsetsurfshop   You actually rotate the cis 180 degrees and rebol...   Aug 13 2019, 11:48 AM
mb911   You actually rotate the cis 180 degrees and rebo...   Aug 13 2019, 11:51 AM
Jetsetsurfshop   [quote name='Jetsetsurfshop' post='2738012' date=...   Aug 13 2019, 12:10 PM
morgan_harwell   I did this in 1987 with a 2.4L CIS engine. I did n...   Aug 13 2019, 10:22 AM
John   I did this in 1987 with a 2.4L CIS engine. I did ...   Aug 28 2019, 11:48 AM
ClayPerrine   [quote name='morgan_harwell' post='2737988' date=...   Dec 9 2020, 04:01 PM
John   I would suggest you look at this thread: http:/...   Dec 12 2020, 12:05 AM
ClayPerrine   [quote name='ClayPerrine' post='2873552' date='De...   Dec 12 2020, 06:57 AM
mb911   If you want to make your engine sheet metal let me...   Aug 13 2019, 11:49 AM
sixnotfour   one way to do it... http://www.914world.com/bbs2/i...   Aug 13 2019, 01:00 PM
914_teener   Slits (RIP) had a 2.7 with CIS IIRC. I don't...   Aug 13 2019, 01:07 PM
sixnotfour   Jeff Tucker wrote;   Aug 13 2019, 01:22 PM
sixnotfour   last   Aug 13 2019, 01:23 PM
sixnotfour   @Dr Evil http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sh...   Aug 13 2019, 01:52 PM
billh1963   Send member adidas a PM. He is working on my ‘72...   Aug 14 2019, 01:13 PM
morgan_harwell   I did this in 1987 with a 2.4L CIS engine. I did...   Aug 28 2019, 02:59 PM
johnlush   The car referenced in posts 2 and 7 is mine. I sta...   Aug 28 2019, 05:53 PM
live free & drive   " Also note the naro mount drops the height o...   Aug 31 2019, 10:34 AM
mb911   " Also note the naro mount drops the height ...   Aug 31 2019, 10:49 AM
John   Well, I repaired the passenger side outer longitud...   Sep 2 2019, 08:33 PM
mepstein   Ben/914-6Werkshop.com has the GT hard lines and st...   Sep 2 2019, 08:51 PM
John   A couple of pictures of what I'm dealing with....   Sep 10 2019, 02:50 PM
John   Were all 914 Bodies painted white before color was...   Sep 23 2019, 08:35 AM
mepstein   No   Sep 23 2019, 08:46 AM
mb911   Maybe just white primer?   Sep 23 2019, 09:22 AM
John   I don't believe it to be primer as it seems to...   Sep 24 2019, 08:43 AM
mepstein   So many things done to these cars over 50 years.   Sep 24 2019, 09:34 AM
John   So many things done to these cars over 50 years. ...   Sep 27 2019, 11:34 AM
stevesc_us   Forget all that CIS crap and make it look old scho...   Sep 28 2019, 08:21 AM
JmuRiz   Forget all that CIS crap and make it look old sch...   Oct 1 2019, 12:56 PM
914Toy   Forget all that CIS crap and make it look old sch...   Oct 2 2019, 12:43 PM
John   That is certainly one way to go. I already have w...   Oct 1 2019, 03:05 PM
Justinp71   My uncle and I did a 2.7 install 15 years ago. We ...   Oct 1 2019, 05:48 PM
Dr Evil   My uncle and I did a 2.7 install 15 years ago. We...   Oct 2 2019, 10:07 AM
John   Started doing the flares thing on this car. Befor...   Sep 25 2020, 06:57 AM
Tdskip   Thanks for the update. Where did you source the f...   Sep 25 2020, 07:20 AM
John   Thanks for the update. Where did you source the ...   Sep 25 2020, 08:52 AM
Tdskip   Thanks for the update. Where did you source the...   Sep 25 2020, 08:57 AM
John   Are you happy with the Naro engine mount? I am a...   Sep 25 2020, 09:07 AM
Root_Werks   CIS is a better choice than most give it credit. ...   Sep 25 2020, 09:07 AM
Root_Werks   Here's a shot of the engine:   Sep 25 2020, 09:11 AM
Tdskip   Thank you @John Enjoy your updates, thanks for...   Sep 25 2020, 09:14 AM
naro914   Hey guys - someone pointed me to this thread as th...   Sep 28 2020, 01:38 PM
Steve   Hey guys - someone pointed me to this thread as t...   Sep 28 2020, 09:51 PM
Maltese Falcon   Enough real estate under that lid to stuff a 2.7L ...   Sep 28 2020, 05:19 PM
John   Anyone know or remember a member here REZRON? Thi...   Nov 5 2020, 10:34 PM
John   So, nobody knows Rezron. Hmm. Anyway back to the...   Dec 5 2020, 09:30 PM
Tdskip   Press on, it’s going to be great.   Dec 6 2020, 09:44 AM
watsonrx13   Well done John. Do you have any in progress photos...   Dec 8 2020, 07:50 AM
Root_Werks   Well done John. Do you have any in progress photo...   Dec 8 2020, 10:05 AM
John   Well done John. Do you have any in progress phot...   Dec 8 2020, 10:14 PM
mb911   [quote name='Root_Werks' post='2873157' date='Dec...   Dec 9 2020, 07:38 AM
watsonrx13   Thanks everyone.   Dec 9 2020, 06:57 AM
John   More progress being made and I have moved along to...   Dec 18 2020, 01:38 PM
John   From various threads, I see a range of sizes for h...   Dec 18 2020, 07:12 PM
mb911   From various threads, I see a range of sizes for ...   Dec 18 2020, 08:45 PM
mepstein   Does the fitting for the return line in the lower ...   Dec 18 2020, 08:21 PM
John   Does the fitting for the return line in the lower...   Dec 19 2020, 12:55 PM
mepstein   Does the fitting for the return line in the lowe...   Dec 19 2020, 01:29 PM
John   Started cutting the holes and they turned out well...   Dec 23 2020, 11:28 AM
mepstein   Eric at PMB has the GT style pressure relief line ...   Dec 23 2020, 12:03 PM
mb911   Eric at PMB has the GT style pressure relief line...   Dec 23 2020, 03:42 PM
John   The only reasoning I can come up with for the pres...   Dec 24 2020, 03:43 PM
mepstein   I recently sent Ben an oil filter console just lik...   Dec 24 2020, 04:06 PM
John   I recently sent Ben an oil filter console just li...   Dec 26 2020, 09:28 PM


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