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> No power to injectors again!, Got spark, gas, at a total loss
surfdogskier
post Oct 7 2019, 06:22 PM
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Oh my gosh!!!! She is back to doing this same thing all over again. I finally got her running . She ran fine one evening, parked her. Next day she would not start. No power to the injectors. I got spark. I got gas in the lines. Fuel pump works like it should. I took the distributor out and cleaned the trigger points to see if that would help. All wires are connected. MPS connected. All vacuum lines connected. I bought a noid light set up and they are definitely not getting power.

What else could it be? Something on the relay board? Bad relay?

This car is driving me insane. I am about to go duel carbs and drop this piece of **** fuel injection if I can't get this thing running.
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post Oct 13 2019, 12:10 AM
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Surfdog, please don't take this personally, just trying to turn this into a learning experience for all, going forward. These are old cars. If these parts are work out, then they may need replacement - standard maintenance for any car.

The easy thing and for some, the hardest thing about D-Jet is that there are only a limited number of components, and each of them can be tested individually for function with either an ohmmeter, fuel pressure gauge, a few simple tools, or a service can test these for you. If each of these tests good, then the system is plug N play. If not...maybe its another problem and not the FI?

ECU - rarely go bad...but maybe. Not expensive to replace.
FI harness - simple continuity test, new are available.
IGN harness and tri-spade ground, - simple continuity test, and new are available.
MPS - easy to test with the right equipment, rebuilt available, not expensive.
Trigger points - easy to test, lasts a long time and can be adjusted if worn.
TPS, with gaskets - inexpensive new boards are available.
270ohm resistor (1973 2.0L only)
4 fuel injectors - Maintenance cleaning is not expensive, aftermarket injectors available
1 cold start valve injector and thermo switch (optional)
TS1 (air temp) (optional)
TS2 (head temp), available
Fuel pump, spendy for the OEM, functional alternative pump not expensive.
Fuel pressure regulator - do these ever go bad?

The air supply related parts - rarely a problem unless the plenum or gaskets are leaky, and those are repairable/replaceable.
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post Oct 13 2019, 08:32 AM
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QUOTE(JeffBowlsby @ Oct 13 2019, 02:10 AM) *

Surfdog, please don't take this personally, just trying to turn this into a learning experience for all, going forward. These are old cars. If these parts are work out, then they may need replacement - standard maintenance for any car.

The easy thing and for some, the hardest thing about D-Jet is that there are only a limited number of components, and each of them can be tested individually for function with either an ohmmeter, fuel pressure gauge, a few simple tools, or a service can test these for you. If each of these tests good, then the system is plug N play. If not...maybe its another problem and not the FI?

ECU - rarely go bad...but maybe. Not expensive to replace.
FI harness - simple continuity test, new are available.
IGN harness and tri-spade ground, - simple continuity test, and new are available.
MPS - easy to test with the right equipment, rebuilt available, not expensive.
Trigger points - easy to test, lasts a long time and can be adjusted if worn.
TPS, with gaskets - inexpensive new boards are available.
270ohm resistor (1973 2.0L only)
4 fuel injectors - Maintenance cleaning is not expensive, aftermarket injectors available
1 cold start valve injector and thermo switch (optional)
TS1 (air temp) (optional)
TS2 (head temp), available
Fuel pump, spendy for the OEM, functional alternative pump not expensive.
Fuel pressure regulator - do these ever go bad?

The air supply related parts - rarely a problem unless the plenum or gaskets are leaky, and those are repairable/replaceable.

Hey Jeff. Thanks for all the help you have given. Definitely not taken personally. I wish I could leave it but to many unknowns still. I just didn't want to keep dropping $$$ into something which I lost trust in. Just way to many components to keep up with when I can just convert it over to something much easier and in my opinion, more reliable. I just want a car that will start when I need it and take me from point A to point B and back. Don't need performance or gas mileage where my top speed will rarely exceed 55mph.
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surfdogskier   No power to injectors again!   Oct 7 2019, 06:22 PM
Mikey914   It injection is the best way to go if you can keep...   Oct 7 2019, 06:27 PM
surfdogskier   It injection is the best way to go if you can kee...   Oct 7 2019, 06:52 PM
JeffBowlsby   I know you said “all wires” but does that incl...   Oct 7 2019, 06:51 PM
JeffBowlsby   Dup post, sorry   Oct 7 2019, 06:52 PM
surfdogskier   I know you said “all wires” but does that inc...   Oct 7 2019, 06:54 PM
JeffBowlsby   Remove the ECU from the FI harness. Leave the har...   Oct 7 2019, 07:10 PM
Mikey914   Check power on 16 and 24 if not possible relay boa...   Oct 7 2019, 07:25 PM
surfdogskier   I will do that tomorrow and post back.....Thanks f...   Oct 7 2019, 07:47 PM
914_teener   I will do that tomorrow and post back.....Thanks ...   Oct 8 2019, 02:50 PM
surfdogskier   In order to check the 16 and 24 pin, do I have to ...   Oct 8 2019, 02:50 PM
JeffBowlsby   Yes to the first question. No to the second. Sli...   Oct 8 2019, 03:51 PM
surfdogskier   Yes to the first question. No to the second. Sl...   Oct 8 2019, 05:41 PM
jim_hoyland   Congratulations Lawrence. I loved your 914. Gre...   Oct 8 2019, 04:18 PM
surfdogskier   I do have 12v at 24 and 16.   Oct 8 2019, 06:21 PM
IronHillRestorations   Just because you cleaned the trigger points, does ...   Oct 8 2019, 06:25 PM
IronHillRestorations   Just because you cleaned the trigger points, does ...   Oct 8 2019, 06:32 PM
surfdogskier   Just because you cleaned the trigger points, does...   Oct 8 2019, 07:26 PM
JeffBowlsby   Then you have power to the ECU. Somewhere between...   Oct 8 2019, 07:12 PM
surfdogskier   Then you have power to the ECU. Somewhere betwee...   Oct 8 2019, 07:29 PM
surfdogskier   Then you have power to the ECU. Somewhere betwee...   Oct 9 2019, 07:09 PM
surfdogskier   I do want to mention. If she sets for a little wh...   Oct 8 2019, 07:36 PM
914_teener   I do want to mention. If she sets for a little w...   Oct 9 2019, 09:58 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   probably two of the injectors spitting a bit of ga...   Oct 9 2019, 03:03 PM
surfdogskier   I is like it has a drop of gas to tease it. I tri...   Oct 9 2019, 06:23 PM
Bartlett 914   How do you know you are not getting power the the ...   Oct 9 2019, 02:59 PM
surfdogskier   How do you know you are not getting power the the...   Oct 9 2019, 06:24 PM
Bartlett 914   How do you know you are not getting power the th...   Oct 12 2019, 03:25 PM
surfdogskier   [quote name='surfdogskier' post='2753548' date='O...   Oct 12 2019, 06:04 PM
ClayPerrine   Anyone interested in a fuel injection set up, I w...   Oct 12 2019, 06:54 PM
surfdogskier   Anyone interested in a fuel injection set up, I ...   Oct 12 2019, 09:41 PM
surfdogskier   I decided I am finished with fuel injection. I do...   Oct 11 2019, 09:38 AM
ClayPerrine   I decided I am finished with fuel injection. I d...   Oct 11 2019, 09:41 AM
surfdogskier   I decided I am finished with fuel injection. I ...   Oct 11 2019, 07:30 PM
IronHillRestorations   Just don't over size the carbs; bigger isn...   Oct 12 2019, 07:27 AM
rhodyguy   By the time you've done the swap you'll be...   Oct 12 2019, 07:16 PM
surfdogskier   By the time you've done the swap you'll b...   Oct 12 2019, 09:40 PM
JeffBowlsby   Surfdog, please don't take this personally, ju...   Oct 13 2019, 12:10 AM
surfdogskier   Surfdog, please don't take this personally, j...   Oct 13 2019, 08:32 AM
JeffBowlsby   No worries Surfdog, you are entitled to make the d...   Oct 13 2019, 10:13 AM


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