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> '73 914 2.0....what to do first?, New to a project like this...where to start?
AKFish
post Nov 11 2019, 05:39 PM
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HI there, my name is Dominic and I have an avid reader of this forum for nearly a year, now its time to get rolling on my project...

About this time last year, I purchased a 1973 914 2.0. The previous owners bought it as part of a bundle of 914's and only kept a couple.
I have some documentation from when the car was first purchased, but the more recent owners have proven elusive. It was owned by a member here named "kurbfrog" but he/she has not responded to my contact attempts, so recent history is a bit murky. Sounds like the guy I really want to talk to, headed south of the border in a bit of a hurry.
I acquired the car in a partially disassembled state. The engine, a 2.0 with it's original FI still attached, is out and pretty much everything is removed from the engine bay and the interior. Many of the removed parts are carefully bagged up and some even have labels. On the whole, the car is in pretty solid condition, however, there are some of the typical rust issues.....
The engine shelf has been cut for A/C and there is rust in the hell hole and I can see rust developing in the outer long (I think that's what it is called). My reading here would suggest that there is a lot more than meets the eye.
What I would really like to do is find out if the engine runs...and if so, just put the car back together and drive it for a while. I could decide after that, if a "rustoration" is right for me...I have zero background in fabrication/welding.

Question: What are the MUST DO items to perform on the engine while it is out, to give me the best odds of getting the car going again?

P.S. My car came with this 1975 Roller that is pretty well gutted.Attached Image
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post Nov 12 2019, 12:21 PM
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Nice Car! Right year. Right engine. And right color! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

I think the first step should be making sure the chassis is still safe enough to drive before thinking about putting the engine back in. That means making sure your rear suspension points are still solid and there isn't any flex in the body. I'd go after the rusty spots on the longs with a screwdriver like I was trying to murder it to make sure you still have solid metal there. Somewhere there is a procedure for testing for flex but I couldn't find it. If it checks out solid enough, might as well drive and enjoy it. Warning: to drive it is to want it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Honestly, what you've shown so far doesn't look to bad to me. Don't get me wrong, repairing just what we know is rotted is going to be a big project and there are probably more surprises inside, but it's doable. Fixing the engine shelf where the AC was is pretty easy. Restoration Design makes nice engine shelf replacements. Worst part will be fixing the rot under the battery because that will be a fabrication job. And, of course, whatever surprises are waiting for you inside.
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QUOTE(bbrock @ Nov 12 2019, 01:21 PM) *


Honestly, what you've shown so far doesn't look to bad to me.


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Go look at Brent's project page. If you had started with what Brent started with, of course nothing looks bad. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif)

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His build thread highlights the power of determination and pride in workmanship. No reason your project can't be the next.

Just dig in. Once you get started the path becomes clear. Life will happen along the way, there will be detours. Just keep at it one small project at a time.
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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Nov 12 2019, 11:30 AM) *

QUOTE(bbrock @ Nov 12 2019, 01:21 PM) *


Honestly, what you've shown so far doesn't look to bad to me.


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Go look at Brent's project page. If you had started with what Brent started with, of course nothing looks bad. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif)



(IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Yeah, I was thinking I might not be the best judge. But great googly moogly, I'm amazed at how afraid some people are of a little rust.

Cutting off old metal and plug welding in new parts doesn't take a high level of skill. Butt welding and frabrication is where the real skill comes in.

What I see looking at these pics is a right long ($150), engine shelf piece ($172), and battery tray ($132.50) needing replaced. Those are not hard to do and will require less time, money, and skill than rebuilding an engine. Then there's the hard stuff. Looks like there might need to be some fab work and repair aft of that long and, of course, that massive hole under the battery. Those cost almost nothing in materials to repair. It's just sheet metal, but requires more skill. It's safe to say there is more damage we can't see, but we can only speculate at this time. As it is, it looks like a DIY repair would be feasible well under $1K. Is that too much to spend on a 73 2L? ... and it's SILVER (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silver914.jpg)
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post Nov 12 2019, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE(bbrock @ Nov 12 2019, 04:18 PM) *

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QUOTE(bbrock @ Nov 12 2019, 01:21 PM) *


Honestly, what you've shown so far doesn't look to bad to me.


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Go look at Brent's project page. If you had started with what Brent started with, of course nothing looks bad. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif)



(IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Yeah, I was thinking I might not be the best judge. But great googly moogly, I'm amazed at how afraid some people are of a little rust.

Cutting off old metal and plug welding in new parts doesn't take a high level of skill. Butt welding and frabrication is where the real skill comes in.

What I see looking at these pics is a right long ($150), engine shelf piece ($172), and battery tray ($132.50) needing replaced. Those are not hard to do and will require less time, money, and skill than rebuilding an engine. Then there's the hard stuff. Looks like there might need to be some fab work and repair aft of that long and, of course, that massive hole under the battery. Those cost almost nothing in materials to repair. It's just sheet metal, but requires more skill. It's safe to say there is more damage we can't see, but we can only speculate at this time. As it is, it looks like a DIY repair would be feasible well under $1K. Is that too much to spend on a 73 2L? ... and it's SILVER (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silver914.jpg)


@bbrock Brent what welder were you using and we’re you satisfied with it’s performance?
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AKFish   '73 914 2.0....what to do first?   Nov 11 2019, 05:39 PM
AKFish   The engine as I received it...   Nov 11 2019, 05:43 PM
AKFish   The bad...   Nov 11 2019, 05:44 PM
AKFish   Outer long?   Nov 11 2019, 05:46 PM
AKFish   Cut out for A/C...   Nov 11 2019, 05:47 PM
AKFish   This 1975 came as part of the package...its been h...   Nov 11 2019, 05:58 PM
AKFish   I included the VIN in the data base, but here it i...   Nov 11 2019, 06:05 PM
SteveL   Step one is to identify all rust and repair. Hell...   Nov 11 2019, 06:41 PM
AKFish   Step one is to identify all rust and repair. Hel...   Nov 11 2019, 07:24 PM
Mike Bellis   Oh boy...ok. 1. Buy welder. 2. Learn how to weld...   Nov 12 2019, 09:37 PM
barefoot   HI there, my name is Dominic and I have an avid r...   Nov 11 2019, 07:47 PM
AKFish   [quote name='AKFish' post='2761318' date='Nov 11 ...   Nov 11 2019, 08:14 PM
Superhawk996   :drooley: Very nice looking engine and tr...   Nov 12 2019, 12:36 PM
914_7T3   Nice Project! Several members including mysel...   Nov 12 2019, 12:20 AM
AKFish   Nice Project! Several members including myse...   Nov 12 2019, 06:41 PM
914_7T3   [quote name='914_7T3' date='Nov 12 20...   Nov 12 2019, 06:50 PM
AKFish   Here's mine, lots more subcontract work and to...   Nov 12 2019, 09:02 PM
jcd914   You can run the engine outside the car. It is easi...   Nov 12 2019, 12:29 AM
Tdskip   Good morning and welcome. In addition to what th...   Nov 12 2019, 10:49 AM
sfrenck   Consider buying a roller if you don't want to ...   Nov 12 2019, 11:22 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   very little rust in your car, and all of the repai...   Nov 12 2019, 12:04 PM
bbrock   Nice Car! Right year. Right engine. And righ...   Nov 12 2019, 12:21 PM
Superhawk996   Honestly, what you've shown so far doesn...   Nov 12 2019, 12:30 PM
bbrock   [quote name='bbrock' post='2761552' date='Nov 12 ...   Nov 12 2019, 03:18 PM
AKFish   [quote name='bbrock' post='2761552' date='Nov 12...   Nov 12 2019, 09:06 PM
Rand   Don't put money into drivetrain unless you wan...   Nov 12 2019, 12:33 PM
jmitro   in my opinion doing metal fab and welding takes a ...   Nov 12 2019, 01:29 PM
AKFish   Ok dang it, I’ll have to figure out how to respo...   Nov 12 2019, 07:50 PM
bbrock   Ok dang it, I’ll have to figure out how to resp...   Nov 12 2019, 09:40 PM
AKFish   @914_7T3 just comparing our VIN #’s. They were...   Nov 13 2019, 06:07 PM
914_7T3   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Nov 13 2019, 11:38 PM
AKFish   Drivers side jack post hole is paper thin and the ...   Nov 23 2019, 08:43 PM
rhodyguy   It's the work to be done before you start cutt...   Nov 23 2019, 08:53 PM
AKFish   It's the work to be done before you start cut...   Nov 23 2019, 10:06 PM
mepstein   You will have to cut out all the rusty metal anywa...   Nov 23 2019, 08:56 PM
AKFish   You can repair the car without a frame. Jack it u...   Nov 23 2019, 10:03 PM
mepstein   Hows the right rear suspension consoles? Water run...   Nov 23 2019, 10:12 PM
AKFish   Hows the right rear suspension consoles? Water ru...   Nov 23 2019, 10:32 PM
bbrock   Well NOW you have a project. I agree with @mepst...   Nov 23 2019, 11:31 PM
Superhawk996   One thing to keep in mind with respect to putting ...   Nov 24 2019, 10:57 AM
AKFish   OK, enough “analysis paralysis”! Bought a ...   Dec 9 2019, 07:36 PM
AKFish   Today I went digging around the jack post area.......   Dec 9 2019, 07:45 PM
rjames   Today I went digging around the jack post area......   Dec 9 2019, 08:41 PM
AKFish   Today I went digging around the jack post area.....   Dec 9 2019, 10:17 PM
rjames   Yes. I was in a similar situation. The outer layer...   Dec 9 2019, 11:50 PM
jmitro   I removed part of the rear quarter panel to repair...   Dec 9 2019, 09:32 PM
AKFish   @jmitro your project is an impressive feat to be ...   Dec 9 2019, 09:50 PM
dlee6204   Yes. I was in a similar situation. The outer laye...   Dec 10 2019, 03:32 AM
bbrock   On double-walled repairs, I took two approaches. ...   Dec 10 2019, 08:22 AM
AKFish   Well, its been a little over two years since I upd...   Jan 29 2022, 08:58 PM


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