factory pre bent chassis stiffening kit, any one interested? |
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factory pre bent chassis stiffening kit, any one interested? |
johnhora |
Nov 30 2019, 01:01 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 866 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Derby City KY Member No.: 107 Region Association: None |
That would be awesome if someone would make a proper GT stiffening kit. these rap around the bottom of the longitudinal up to the pinch weld and make the car stronger. the aftermarket kits mostly add weight. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) The preformed type would be great!.....The current available flat ones are such a pain to form... Definitely interested in this... |
horizontally-opposed |
Nov 30 2019, 03:15 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,431 Joined: 12-May 04 From: San Francisco Member No.: 2,058 Region Association: None |
…funny on the timing of this.
Am just final-proofing an article in which Roland Kussmaul mentions that these braces and one more mod was enough to make the 914 a really great platform for racing—the better platform, actually. My question for those who have done this: So the rear suspension has to come off. What else? And what about rust-proofing the car so modified? |
dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Nov 30 2019, 03:57 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,827 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
just the two rear swing arms.
…funny on the timing of this. Am just final-proofing an article in which Roland Kussmaul mentions that these braces and one more mod was enough to make the 914 a really great platform for racing—the better platform, actually. My question for those who have done this: So the rear suspension has to come off. What else? And what about rust-proofing the car so modified? |
mepstein |
Nov 30 2019, 04:09 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,251 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
…funny on the timing of this. Am just final-proofing an article in which Roland Kussmaul mentions that these braces and one more mod was enough to make the 914 a really great platform for racing—the better platform, actually. My question for those who have done this: So the rear suspension has to come off. What else? And what about rust-proofing the car so modified? If you haven't removed your 914-4 engine mounts, it's a good time to do it. |
dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Nov 30 2019, 04:12 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,827 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
yes for six conversion and then as you remove them carefully you can sell the used ones especially the right one to a poor soul with a rusted engine mount
…funny on the timing of this. Am just final-proofing an article in which Roland Kussmaul mentions that these braces and one more mod was enough to make the 914 a really great platform for racing—the better platform, actually. My question for those who have done this: So the rear suspension has to come off. What else? And what about rust-proofing the car so modified? If you haven't removed your 914-4 engine mounts, it's a good time to do it. |
Mark Henry |
Nov 30 2019, 07:35 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
…funny on the timing of this. Am just final-proofing an article in which Roland Kussmaul mentions that these braces and one more mod was enough to make the 914 a really great platform for racing—the better platform, actually. My question for those who have done this: So the rear suspension has to come off. What else? And what about rust-proofing the car so modified? It's not any easy job...it's "easy" in the context that the parts fit like they should. It would be a job that any advanced DIY'er could do, if you're not then it would be best left to a pro. Of course it has to be welded to a sound chassis, but the rust issue is why I suggested galvalume steel like RD uses. You could mask the inner holes and edges and use epoxy primer on the underside. Then it has to be plug welded, Epoxy primed, then seam sealed and painted. Since it's the greasy side the finish doesn't have to be perfectly smooth. |
sixnotfour |
Dec 1 2019, 12:31 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,418 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
racing parts are just ..here today gone tomorrow....1970......
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horizontally-opposed |
Dec 1 2019, 12:38 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,431 Joined: 12-May 04 From: San Francisco Member No.: 2,058 Region Association: None |
It's not any easy job...it's "easy" in the context that the parts fit like they should. It would be a job that any advanced DIY'er could do, if you're not then it would be best left to a pro. Of course it has to be welded to a sound chassis, but the rust issue is why I suggested galvalume steel like RD uses. You could mask the inner holes and edges and use epoxy primer on the underside. Then it has to be plug welded, Epoxy primed, then seam sealed and painted. Since it's the greasy side the finish doesn't have to be perfectly smooth. Not sure where I fall on the DIY scale, though I've been through most of my 914 and done a lot of the work on the car over the last 30 years. But welding, like major engine work or bodywork, is something I haven't played with—so I'd probably have this done. (And this chapter of life isn't conducive to DIY anyway…) But, having more than doubled the power of my 914 a few years ago, to roughly 200, this kit is indeed interesting to me—all the more after reading Kussmaul's comments. Even if the factory-style stiffening kit went on a shelf for the right time, I suspect it's one of those few 914 parts you are unlikely to lose money on, or lose much money on. Guessing there are others like me, also. I'd even be interested in a pre order if RD is involved, depending on what the price might be. Which I am sure is a bit chicken-egg for them, too. $30,000-$45,000 for the tooling is a big outlay, and we are lucky to have businesses that are even considering those kinds of products for the 914. |
914forme |
Dec 1 2019, 05:43 PM
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Times a wastin', get wrenchin'! Group: Members Posts: 3,896 Joined: 24-July 04 From: Dayton, Ohio Member No.: 2,388 Region Association: None |
Pete we are very lucky
I guess I need to subscribe to 000 to get the info on the chassis stiffening. And by design the 914 chassis if treated the same should have been superior to the 911 of the time. Minor profits looks like the price of $500 would be short. But I can be hopeful, I am down for a pre-order also if RD is in the picture. I would also like to see the other modification, and see if it can be a package deal. getting ahead of myself now. |
Mikey914 |
Dec 2 2019, 12:13 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,649 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
We already make the flat ones George, I could finish up the tooling for another 5-6k to form these. We sell plenty of the flat ones as those that use them are doing the work themselves, but I'm happy to work with you George if you already have these made up inexpensively.
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horizontally-opposed |
Dec 2 2019, 02:21 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,431 Joined: 12-May 04 From: San Francisco Member No.: 2,058 Region Association: None |
Pete we are very lucky I guess I need to subscribe to 000 to get the info on the chassis stiffening. And by design the 914 chassis if treated the same should have been superior to the 911 of the time. Minor profits looks like the price of $500 would be short. But I can be hopeful, I am down for a pre-order also if RD is in the picture. I would also like to see the other modification, and see if it can be a package deal. getting ahead of myself now. ^ We really are. As to the bit of chassis info, I am not sure I would subscribe for that, but there is an article in Issue 012 that I feel really would justify a single-issue purchase at $75 for 914 owners. It was a hard story to put together, but it's the first time I have understood the 914's design, and, really, its place in the Porsche story alongside a larger picture. And I've been driving one for 30 years and studying these cars at least that long… Re: Mikey, George, Peter, et al...I would indeed be interested in buying a set of these if the price is right, even if only to put on a shelf for now...and it sounds like Mikey might have a springboard that avoids the need to spend $30-45k. Pretty neat. |
peteyd |
Dec 2 2019, 07:35 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 705 Joined: 27-March 08 From: Elora, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 8,858 Region Association: Canada |
We already make the flat ones George, I could finish up the tooling for another 5-6k to form these. We sell plenty of the flat ones as those that use them are doing the work themselves, but I'm happy to work with you George if you already have these made up inexpensively. I don't know how you propose to stamp these with tooling costs under 10k. To scan and design the tooling is 5k+ alone. Then there is steel costs of over 15k. I never like to attach numbers to a project before I even look at CAD, but I'm 100% sure that this project is not doable for under 25K. I don't want to discourage 914rubber or AA on teaming up, or doing these pieces alone, I just want the members here to have a realistic understanding of what tooling costs and the amount of work that goes into making quality parts in North America. Pete |
Mikey914 |
Dec 2 2019, 12:41 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,649 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
We have been making parts for way to cheap for a long time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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whitetwinturbo |
May 21 2020, 08:38 PM
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Honey, does this wing make my ass look fat? Group: Members Posts: 1,391 Joined: 22-October 11 From: Newport Beach/Kalefornya/USA Member No.: 13,704 Region Association: Southern California |
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Mikey914 |
May 22 2020, 12:53 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,649 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
So far nothing but crickets from George. I'd do these if there's enough interest.
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luft |
May 22 2020, 02:40 AM
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911GT2 |
May 22 2020, 04:37 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 195 Joined: 2-March 11 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 12,773 Region Association: Europe |
Never mind!
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Bullethead |
Feb 3 2021, 08:34 PM
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Oil Cooled heart Group: Members Posts: 894 Joined: 24-June 10 From: South Florida Member No.: 11,875 Region Association: South East States |
So far nothing but crickets from George. I'd do these if there's enough interest. Apparently he's off. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) Any chance these might make it to production if you have enough pre-order? I'm in for a set... |
windforfun |
Feb 3 2021, 09:29 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,776 Joined: 17-December 07 From: Blackhawk, CA Member No.: 8,476 Region Association: None |
Thanks George!!!
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930cabman |
Feb 4 2021, 06:07 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,007 Joined: 12-November 20 From: Buffalo Member No.: 24,877 Region Association: North East States |
That would be awesome if someone would make a proper GT stiffening kit. these rap around the bottom of the longitudinal up to the pinch weld and make the car stronger. the aftermarket kits mostly add weight. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) The preformed type would be great!.....The current available flat ones are such a pain to form... Definitely interested in this... we have a "flat" set on order, awaiting delivery. I assume these can be formed reasonably easy, perhaps some heat introduced here and there. |
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