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Strip this to bare metal and start again? |
Tdskip |
Jan 13 2020, 01:02 PM
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Tdskip |
Jan 13 2020, 01:03 PM
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rjames |
Jan 13 2020, 01:17 PM
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I'm made of metal Group: Members Posts: 3,875 Joined: 24-July 05 From: Shoreline, WA Member No.: 4,467 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Yup, it’s the only way to see what shape the metal is in around the rust holes. Looks like the PO did tried to repair it, but they must not have prepped the area properly given the rust holes around where the welding was done.
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Tdskip |
Jan 13 2020, 02:03 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,674 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None |
Yup, it’s the only way to see what shape the metal is in around the rust holes. Looks like the PO did tried to repair it, but they must not have prepped the area properly given the rust holes around where the welding was done. Out the angle grinder comes...thanks mate. |
TargaToy |
Jan 13 2020, 02:39 PM
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-NONSOLIS RADIOS SEDIOUIS FULMINA MITTO- Group: Members Posts: 692 Joined: 26-March 10 From: DelMarVa Peninsula Member No.: 11,509 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I do not wish ill on anyone, nor do I want to imply there's more trouble there than meets the eye... however... With those gaps between welds, there's a good chance water has continued to make its way inside your long. You may want to cut the bad patches out and have a nice look-see before continuing with repairs.
Do you have access to a borescope? That would minimize the cutting. |
bretth |
Jan 13 2020, 03:02 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 899 Joined: 23-June 15 From: Central TX Member No.: 18,882 Region Association: Southwest Region |
It looks like it is only tack welded in. Worried about the structure of it.
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jimkelly |
Jan 13 2020, 07:00 PM
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Tdskip |
Jan 13 2020, 08:46 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,674 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None |
Thanks for the responses and considerations, this is a southern California car that I believe was garaged after the repairs were made, so it may not be that much worse. In other news pigs fly.
The borescope is a good idea, let me get that out and see what it looks like. The suspension consul is good and I’ve got good door gaps still at least. Thanks again. |
cary |
Jan 13 2020, 09:37 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,900 Joined: 26-January 04 From: Sherwood Oregon Member No.: 1,608 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I think what you'll find is they laid new metal right over the original hell
hole metal. I've seen it about 10 times. Now the issue is the cut out. You need to peel back the onion. Don't cut thru the stiffener tops on both the inner and outer walls. |
aggiezig |
Jan 13 2020, 11:27 PM
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Porsche Wannabe Group: Members Posts: 319 Joined: 13-January 16 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 19,557 Region Association: Southern California |
Like cary said, start peeling back the onion layers... Godspeed & keep us posted!
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Tdskip |
Jan 14 2020, 12:06 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,674 Joined: 1-December 17 From: soCal Member No.: 21,666 Region Association: None |
Thanks gentlemen, will try to dig in tonight.
Fingers crossed. |
Tdskip |
Jan 14 2020, 03:07 PM
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SirAndy |
Jan 14 2020, 03:13 PM
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burton73 |
Jan 14 2020, 03:14 PM
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burton73 Group: Members Posts: 3,457 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California |
This is why we have to assume that most 914 for sale that have been fixed have been patched like this. That and they NEVER have under 100,000 on them inless there is proof.
Cars for sale that have shiny paint need proof of rebuilt body as far as rust goes. Bob B |
TargaToy |
Jan 14 2020, 03:22 PM
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Looks like they patched right over the shelf attached to the upper long in that latest pic from the bottom side. I'd still send that borescope into the hell hole in the top of the long itself just to see how bad what else they covered up might be.
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mtndawg |
Jan 15 2020, 12:07 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 413 Joined: 26-January 09 From: Granite Bay, Ca Member No.: 9,985 Region Association: None |
I did a cut and replace that wasn’t too serious that’s similar to what you’re doing.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=239002&hl= |
Uniquecoaches |
Jan 15 2020, 07:58 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 16 Joined: 13-January 20 From: North Pekin, Illinois Member No.: 23,823 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
That is so sad that people do this. I have seen this over and over and over. I just finished a 1973 911 Targa and you simply cannot believe all of the butchery that was done to this car. it looked like a nice car when it came in but when I took the trim off of the lower rockers and they were attached with 2inch long drywall screws, I knew that we were in trouble. The front wheel wells were patched using Lowes shopping bags,taped off and blown up to fill the cavity after they had taped up all of the rusted edges, then expanding foam followed up with roofing flashing and bondo. they had put outer longitudinals on with liquid nail and pop rivets and no inner structure at all, when I removed teh longitudinals you could see the heater tubes perfectly. That job went from a simply repaint back to the oem color to complete sheetmetal restoration.
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Tdskip |
Jan 15 2020, 08:07 AM
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@mtndawg - thanks for the link, very helpful. Please keep us posted on your progress.
@Uniquecoaches - wow! And yuck! Glad she is in you hands now. Post some pictures when you can of that journey. |
dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Jan 15 2020, 08:56 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,772 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
its ok for a patch job and you can grind the areas with holes and fill with. bit more weld and seam seal.
Of course that said, it will never be correct looking , and if you want it that way it is a lot of work, but at least the correct parts are available. I would start with sandblasting to see exactly what you have. Grinding may distort things too much, and maybe hurt some original metal I’ve shared some pictures here before but want to get going on this area repair and was hoping for some been there / repaired that. I have Maddog’s patch panels in hand. Start by stripping to bare metal in this area? Thanks and hope everyone had a good weekend. |
Chi-town |
Jan 15 2020, 10:17 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 850 Joined: 31-August 18 From: Disneyland Member No.: 22,446 Region Association: Southern California |
Cut it completely out. As you've shown there's rusty metal underneath and it will just continue growing. Do it once, do it right and you'll be much happier in the future.
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