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> Maximum Allowable Variance in Deck Height, Stock 2.0 Liter Four
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post Jan 18 2020, 10:18 AM
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I'm in the process of re-assembling the top end of my stock 2.0 liter four, and I have measured deck heights as follows:
#1 - 0.036
#2 - 0.029
#3 - 0.037
#4 - 0.035

These measurements are with the cylinder base sealing rings in place and the cylinders torqued down snugly and measured with a dial gauge. To me it seems as if I need to add a shim to the bottom of cylinder #2 approx. 0.050 - 0.080 to increase its deck height to within the range of the others. I have a couple of used 0.080 shims, one of which I could add to cylinder #2 to bring it up to 0.037.

I have a couple of questions about this.

First, how much variance is permissible between the measurements? If the deck heights are all within 0.002 of one another, is that Ok or do they need to be exactly the same.

Second, can I re-use one of my 0.080 shims or should I source a new one.

And third, do I place the shim on top of the cylinder sealing ring, beneath it, or doesn't it matter. I was planning on putting it on top of the sealing ring.

Thanks in advance for your advice.
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post Jan 18 2020, 07:47 PM
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The individual deck heights are less of a concern than having each pair of cylinders even. I use to make a tool to do this, but you can probably work something out with a straight edge, some spacers, and the cylinder head nuts.
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post Jan 20 2020, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE(jsaum @ Jan 19 2020, 07:43 PM) *

QUOTE(yeahmag @ Jan 18 2020, 05:47 PM) *

The individual deck heights are less of a concern than having each pair of cylinders even. I use to make a tool to do this, but you can probably work something out with a straight edge, some spacers, and the cylinder head nuts.

I picked up one of your tools used. Were there any write ups or instructions on how to use it? I found the original pictures and see how it’s bolted up and seen how the plate locates over the pistons. What type of mounting is used for the dial indicator?



Aaron I think I inherited one of your tools, is it two machined alunimum bars with a keyed plate that drops in for measuring deck and 4 spacers?

I'm using it for the first time and have to say it's a nice piece of T4 kit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif)
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post Jan 20 2020, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 20 2020, 08:51 AM) *

QUOTE(jsaum @ Jan 19 2020, 07:43 PM) *

QUOTE(yeahmag @ Jan 18 2020, 05:47 PM) *

The individual deck heights are less of a concern than having each pair of cylinders even. I use to make a tool to do this, but you can probably work something out with a straight edge, some spacers, and the cylinder head nuts.

I picked up one of your tools used. Were there any write ups or instructions on how to use it? I found the original pictures and see how it’s bolted up and seen how the plate locates over the pistons. What type of mounting is used for the dial indicator?



Aaron I think I inherited one of your tools, is it two machined alunimum bars with a keyed plate that drops in for measuring deck and 4 spacers?

I'm using it for the first time and have to say it's a nice piece of T4 kit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif)


I was measuring at the edge of the piston, but 90° from the plane of the wrist pin, so I think a rocking piston gave me a poor reading. When I rotated the engine and measured along the plane of the wrist pin I measured the deck height of cylinder #2 at 0.037, a value consistent with the other three cylinders. This is after installing a 0.008 shim on the base of cylinder #2 and putting a straight edge across the top of cylinders #1 and #2 to make sure they are both the same height, which they are. Since I am installing head gaskets that measure out at 0.0035 thickness, my final deck height is right around 0.,040, which seems to be the safe target height. So it looks like I'm good to go. Thanks for advice and help on this. I really should have fabricated up a nice stable plate system to use with the dial gauge so my measurements could have been made more easily and at the correct positions. I'll do that for the next rebuild of my 1.8 liter.














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motorvated   Maximum Allowable Variance in Deck Height   Jan 18 2020, 10:18 AM
motorvated   I'm in the process of re-assembling the top e...   Jan 18 2020, 10:19 AM
Krieger   Have you measured the individual cylinder heights?...   Jan 18 2020, 10:33 AM
cuddy_k   :agree: I know just enough about engines to get m...   Jan 18 2020, 10:48 AM
Mark Henry   :agree: I know just enough about engines to get ...   Jan 18 2020, 07:59 PM
rhodyguy   Did you have you case 'decked'?   Jan 18 2020, 11:25 AM
motorvated   Did you have you case 'decked'? No. Cas...   Jan 18 2020, 11:49 AM
motorvated   Did you have you case 'decked'? No. Cas...   Jan 18 2020, 01:43 PM
stownsen914   Where are you measuring the deck height? I assume ...   Jan 20 2020, 08:42 AM
IronHillRestorations   I haven't built a type 4 in years, but I do kn...   Jan 18 2020, 12:19 PM
bbrock   I haven't built a type 4 in years, but I do k...   Jan 18 2020, 12:24 PM
Bleyseng   All I know is you want a minimum of .040”” cle...   Jan 18 2020, 07:11 PM
yeahmag   The individual deck heights are less of a concern ...   Jan 18 2020, 07:47 PM
jsaum   The individual deck heights are less of a concern...   Jan 19 2020, 06:43 PM
Mark Henry   The individual deck heights are less of a concer...   Jan 20 2020, 09:51 AM
motorvated   [quote name='jsaum' post='2779021' date='Jan 19 2...   Jan 20 2020, 10:35 AM
Mark Henry   I haven't used head shims since the 90's a...   Jan 20 2020, 03:26 PM
914werke   I picked up one of your tools used. Were there any...   Jan 22 2020, 02:35 PM
motorvated   [quote name='jsaum' post='2779021' date='Jan 19 2...   Jan 22 2020, 03:19 PM
Mark Henry   That's the one I have but it also has a plate ...   Jan 22 2020, 03:24 PM
yeahmag   Yup. Exactly how it’s done. I use a depth mic, b...   Jan 22 2020, 03:33 PM
914werke   That's the one I have but it also has a plate...   Jan 22 2020, 04:43 PM
Mark Henry   That's the one I have but it also has a plat...   Jan 23 2020, 09:28 PM
stownsen914   Great information on this thread … I hope I...   Jan 24 2020, 07:22 AM
Mark Henry   Great information on this thread … I hope I...   Jan 24 2020, 03:25 PM
stownsen914   Why 11:1? Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I...   Jan 24 2020, 08:57 PM
jsaum   That's the one I have but it also has a plat...   Jan 24 2020, 06:05 PM
yeahmag   I found the old pictures from when I was making th...   Jan 23 2020, 08:59 PM


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