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> Maximum Allowable Variance in Deck Height, Stock 2.0 Liter Four
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post Jan 18 2020, 10:18 AM
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I'm in the process of re-assembling the top end of my stock 2.0 liter four, and I have measured deck heights as follows:
#1 - 0.036
#2 - 0.029
#3 - 0.037
#4 - 0.035

These measurements are with the cylinder base sealing rings in place and the cylinders torqued down snugly and measured with a dial gauge. To me it seems as if I need to add a shim to the bottom of cylinder #2 approx. 0.050 - 0.080 to increase its deck height to within the range of the others. I have a couple of used 0.080 shims, one of which I could add to cylinder #2 to bring it up to 0.037.

I have a couple of questions about this.

First, how much variance is permissible between the measurements? If the deck heights are all within 0.002 of one another, is that Ok or do they need to be exactly the same.

Second, can I re-use one of my 0.080 shims or should I source a new one.

And third, do I place the shim on top of the cylinder sealing ring, beneath it, or doesn't it matter. I was planning on putting it on top of the sealing ring.

Thanks in advance for your advice.
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post Jan 22 2020, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 22 2020, 01:24 PM) *

That's the one I have but it also has a plate that drops in between and is keyed to the half circle cut outs you see on the bars. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Hmmm I didnt get that ? Mark can you post a pic I might have to make one.
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post Jan 23 2020, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE(914werke @ Jan 22 2020, 05:43 PM) *

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Jan 22 2020, 01:24 PM) *

That's the one I have but it also has a plate that drops in between and is keyed to the half circle cut outs you see on the bars. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Hmmm I didnt get that ? Mark can you post a pic I might have to make one.


Yes that's what I have.
I tried to post some pics last night, but win10 was getting stuck downloading from the SD card. I need to get a hardwired wifi router out in my shop.
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Great information on this thread …

I hope I'm not highjacking to ask a related question. How high can you get the compression ratio on a type 4 with flat top pistons? I understand people cut the heads to bump it up a bit. What if you want high compression, like, say 11:1? Domed pistons I guess?

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QUOTE(stownsen914 @ Jan 24 2020, 08:22 AM) *

Great information on this thread …

I hope I'm not highjacking to ask a related question. How high can you get the compression ratio on a type 4 with flat top pistons? I understand people cut the heads to bump it up a bit. What if you want high compression, like, say 11:1? Domed pistons I guess?

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Why 11:1?

Fly cutting is the easiest, you can surface the head fin for more clearance, some remove a fin, other builders have welded the chambers making them smaller.

I don't know if domed T4 piston are available, maybe custom order from JE. You could make you own "dome" if you have the deck to play with, but I can't see getting more than .5cc doing this.
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motorvated   Maximum Allowable Variance in Deck Height   Jan 18 2020, 10:18 AM
motorvated   I'm in the process of re-assembling the top e...   Jan 18 2020, 10:19 AM
Krieger   Have you measured the individual cylinder heights?...   Jan 18 2020, 10:33 AM
cuddy_k   :agree: I know just enough about engines to get m...   Jan 18 2020, 10:48 AM
Mark Henry   :agree: I know just enough about engines to get ...   Jan 18 2020, 07:59 PM
rhodyguy   Did you have you case 'decked'?   Jan 18 2020, 11:25 AM
motorvated   Did you have you case 'decked'? No. Cas...   Jan 18 2020, 11:49 AM
motorvated   Did you have you case 'decked'? No. Cas...   Jan 18 2020, 01:43 PM
stownsen914   Where are you measuring the deck height? I assume ...   Jan 20 2020, 08:42 AM
IronHillRestorations   I haven't built a type 4 in years, but I do kn...   Jan 18 2020, 12:19 PM
bbrock   I haven't built a type 4 in years, but I do k...   Jan 18 2020, 12:24 PM
Bleyseng   All I know is you want a minimum of .040”” cle...   Jan 18 2020, 07:11 PM
yeahmag   The individual deck heights are less of a concern ...   Jan 18 2020, 07:47 PM
jsaum   The individual deck heights are less of a concern...   Jan 19 2020, 06:43 PM
Mark Henry   The individual deck heights are less of a concer...   Jan 20 2020, 09:51 AM
motorvated   [quote name='jsaum' post='2779021' date='Jan 19 2...   Jan 20 2020, 10:35 AM
Mark Henry   I haven't used head shims since the 90's a...   Jan 20 2020, 03:26 PM
914werke   I picked up one of your tools used. Were there any...   Jan 22 2020, 02:35 PM
motorvated   [quote name='jsaum' post='2779021' date='Jan 19 2...   Jan 22 2020, 03:19 PM
Mark Henry   That's the one I have but it also has a plate ...   Jan 22 2020, 03:24 PM
yeahmag   Yup. Exactly how it’s done. I use a depth mic, b...   Jan 22 2020, 03:33 PM
914werke   That's the one I have but it also has a plate...   Jan 22 2020, 04:43 PM
Mark Henry   That's the one I have but it also has a plat...   Jan 23 2020, 09:28 PM
stownsen914   Great information on this thread … I hope I...   Jan 24 2020, 07:22 AM
Mark Henry   Great information on this thread … I hope I...   Jan 24 2020, 03:25 PM
stownsen914   Why 11:1? Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I...   Jan 24 2020, 08:57 PM
jsaum   That's the one I have but it also has a plat...   Jan 24 2020, 06:05 PM
yeahmag   I found the old pictures from when I was making th...   Jan 23 2020, 08:59 PM


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