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> Slightly OT: what is the last best analog sports car with hydraulic power steering
Tdskip
post Jan 19 2020, 12:37 PM
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Just as a thought exercise – if you had to pick a new – modern sports car that had proper hydraulic, rather than electric, power steering what would it be?

Just walked past about a 7 year old Audi R8, hence the question.

I’m sure the last generation Cayman would have be on the short list...
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post Jan 26 2020, 10:08 AM
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As far as the Cayman is concerned, the 987.2 had hydrualic...the 981 had steer by wire.....so anything before 2014.

The Cayman had problems...mostly tracked cars.....with overheating with the fluid.

As far and the feeling...I prefer the hudraulic rack although I get why they went to an electric one.

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post Jan 26 2020, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(914_teener @ Jan 26 2020, 11:08 AM) *

As far as the Cayman is concerned, the 987.2 had hydrualic...the 981 had steer by wire.....so anything before 2014.



Just a nuance Cayman isn't steer by wire. It is EPAS. Electric Power Assisted Steering.

Steer by wire implies that that there is no mechanical linkage between the steering wheel and the steering actuation.

Nissan was 1st to market with a quasi steer by wire system and also had to recall shortly after it was launched.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a9940...ystem-16276674/

The reason I say quasi steer by wire is that by Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards the steering must have a mechanical linkage. In the case of the Nissan, it had a mechanical linkage that could be reengaged if the steer by wire portion of the system failed.

The main reason for steer by wire is that it becomes a path toward autonomous vehicles by easily enabling elimination of the steering column altogether.
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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Jan 26 2020, 11:37 AM) *

QUOTE(914_teener @ Jan 26 2020, 11:08 AM) *

As far as the Cayman is concerned, the 987.2 had hydrualic...the 981 had steer by wire.....so anything before 2014.



Just a nuance Cayman isn't steer by wire. It is EPAS. Electric Power Assisted Steering.

Steer by wire implies that that there is no mechanical linkage between the steering wheel and the steering actuation.

Nissan was 1st to market with a quasi steer by wire system and also had to recall shortly after it was launched.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a9940...ystem-16276674/

The reason I say quasi steer by wire is that by Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards the steering must have a mechanical linkage. In the case of the Nissan, it had a mechanical linkage that could be reengaged if the steer by wire portion of the system failed.

The main reason for steer by wire is that it becomes a path toward autonomous vehicles by easily enabling elimination of the steering column altogether.



Ah....yes thanks for the clarification.! Good info.

I'd say for the "feel" factor with respect to the EPA....the EPAS version in the 981 feels different in that it feels a little"twitchy" to me. Always a subjective thing.
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Tdskip   Slightly OT: what is the last best analog sports car with hydraulic power steering   Jan 19 2020, 12:37 PM
injunmort   98-02 bmw z3 with 2.8 or 3l six. imho   Jan 19 2020, 01:22 PM
Mark Henry   With the title I'd be thinking more of a late ...   Jan 19 2020, 01:32 PM
DickSteinkamp   ..that had proper hydraulic, rather than electric...   Jan 19 2020, 01:50 PM
Mark Henry   ..that had proper hydraulic, rather than electri...   Jan 19 2020, 01:53 PM
Tdskip   ..that had proper hydraulic, rather than electri...   Jan 19 2020, 02:54 PM
DickSteinkamp   [quote name='DickSteinkamp' post='2778927' date='...   Jan 19 2020, 03:33 PM
Superhawk996   [quote name='DickSteinkamp' post='2778927' date='...   Jan 19 2020, 03:35 PM
Superhawk996   [quote name='DickSteinkamp' post='2778927' date='...   Jan 19 2020, 03:40 PM
Superhawk996   ..that had proper hydraulic, rather than electri...   Jan 19 2020, 03:27 PM
Chi-town   996 non turbo/986 MY1999. No nannies, cable thro...   Jan 19 2020, 02:15 PM
infraredcalvin   Define analog. Once you get into abs and stabilit...   Jan 19 2020, 03:23 PM
Tdskip   There’s a difference between “feel “and “e...   Jan 19 2020, 03:37 PM
DickSteinkamp   The ONLY thing that both hydraulic and EPS can do ...   Jan 19 2020, 03:48 PM
Maltese Falcon   CGT   Jan 19 2020, 03:51 PM
Tdskip   CGT For a second I actually thought you meant t...   Jan 19 2020, 03:57 PM
Superhawk996   Just about every BMW 3 series and 911 that I’v...   Jan 19 2020, 04:12 PM
Superhawk996   First time I drove my MGB-GT on the 405 where th...   Jan 19 2020, 04:18 PM
Ansbacher   How about a 924S or an early 944?   Jan 19 2020, 06:03 PM
Tdskip   Addresses the feel issue Jason on Electric Power ...   Jan 26 2020, 08:02 AM
Superhawk996   Addresses the feel issue [url=https://www.youtub...   Jan 26 2020, 08:52 AM
914_teener   As far as the Cayman is concerned, the 987.2 had h...   Jan 26 2020, 10:08 AM
Superhawk996   As far as the Cayman is concerned, the 987.2 had ...   Jan 26 2020, 01:37 PM
914_teener   As far as the Cayman is concerned, the 987.2 had...   Jan 27 2020, 01:40 PM
Steve   993 Manuel   Jan 26 2020, 10:12 AM
ClayPerrine   993 Manuel :agree: 1995 or older 993 with a...   May 7 2020, 12:59 PM
Tdskip   I think this would have to be on the shortlist ......   Jan 26 2020, 10:14 AM
Superhawk996   I think this would have to be on the shortlist .....   Jan 26 2020, 12:38 PM
horizontally-opposed   This used to be a hard question to answer. "B...   Jan 26 2020, 05:21 PM
Maltese Falcon   This used to be a hard question to answer. ...   Jan 26 2020, 05:46 PM
Rikyrat   I just read this, and had a chuckle. A few years ...   May 7 2020, 10:18 AM
burton73   Power-steering racks. In my experience, power-stee...   May 7 2020, 02:28 PM


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