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> Finally bought my own 914, Inspection done!
911GT2
post Feb 13 2020, 04:16 AM
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So, I've been a member here since 2011. I've been interested in 914's for longer than that. But to be honest my focus was always in the 356, 912 and 911.

After I sold my 944S2 I went on the hunt for a good 912. Which I did find, and bought... so I thought. We had a gentleman's agreement. Shook the guys hand and planned to pick the car up a week later. Day on forehand the owner started to act weird. Long story short, I didn't buy the 912.

Actually after numerous 'failures' in buying an air-cooled Porsche I got fed up with the entire Porsche scene. I had cash burning in my pocket and so I bought a VW bug instead. And another one. And a 69 westy camper...
One of the bugs ended out as a buggy project the other got sold.

So after just recently selling my buggy I finally bit the bullet and bought my first 914. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif) Finally! The '69 westy stays in the fleet though. That's for weekends with the family.
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So I bought a '74 1.8. I know the 2.0's are more desirable but for me it's not about the resell value it's about the driving experience. And on paper at least I think the 15 BHP difference for me is not where's it at. And besides, the 2.0 in good state just wasn't within budget.

That brings me to my plans. I'm trying to make it a focussed weekend driver. So I'm planning on new/ better shocks, maybe bigger sway bars, sticky tires, upgraded discs all without losing the stock look.

It's going to take some time the find the proper parts... but since the car is still currently in L.A. at a dealer and I'm located in The Netherlands I still have some time on my hands.


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post Mar 21 2020, 02:31 AM
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Ok here we go; please read this post carefully and only respond with constructive comments please. This for me is a time of a lot of stress and anxiety so bear with me.

After the purchase of the car (wiring the funds) I was told the title would take 15 day to arrive.

So I've send reminder mails after 7, 14 and 21 days. All were responded to with "It's out of our hands we're waiting on the DMV." On Monday I've send out another mail asking for a status update and how the Covid-19 crisis would affect the DMV and the title proces. Still same answer "It's out of our hands we're waiting on the DMV."

Yesterday I've send out this mail to BHCC:
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Hi XXXX,

Today marks a month of waiting on the DMV. The situation in the world has changed completely in that time. I don’t see the DMV coming through with the title any time soon.

At this point I don’t feel like the car will be in Europe before summer which makes is pretty much useless for me until next year.

I suggest we cancel the deal and you give me a refund. It’s not that I don’t want the car anymore. But I’m loosing my confidence in BHCC and your ability to get me the car I bought. Thats due to the DMV and Covid-19, but on the other hand you have done nothing towards me to update me or compensate me for my waiting time. I haven’t had any updates on the DMV proces even when I explicitly asked for them the only answer I get it’s out of your hands. But you also told me 15 days. It’s been 30! I lost all faith.

Please refund me XXXX on details below:

I’m Sorry it has to be this way.

Best Regards,


I immediately got a call from BHCC stating that the required document had just come in that day and that it now would be an easy process getting the title. Maximum of 11-13 days. I would get an email within an hour with that document. I stated if that's the case I will wait. I also asked tem to send me a confirmation that if the title wasn't ready 15 days from now I was allowed to cancel the deal and get a full refund.
That was agreed upon by the BHCC sales manager.

After 4 hours of no reaction I send out another e-mail.
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Hi XXXX,

I herby send you the recap from the conversation on the phone with XXXX (salesmanager BHCC) today 20th march at 9:50 Los Angeles time.
We have agreed that within 2 hours I would get a confirmation of our call, in that confirmation there would be the document supplied by the DMV that's necessary to get the title complete and make the car ready for export and shipping.
Also in that confirmation would be the statement we have agreed that the car would be ready for shipping 15 days from today. If not I will get a full refund of the purchase price, shipping costs, documentation fee, wiring fee, electronic filing fee and NMVTIS fee without any restrictions.

Best regards


After which I got this reply:
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Hello Naud,

I hope your doing well and staying safe with this crazy virus.

Please note the DMV is doing there best to get you the title as soon as possible.

We now know that the title will be here on 4/10/2020 this still gives us enough time to have the car shipped right away and you will have the car by summer.

I am sorry for the delay however we are doing our best


To me 4/10/2020 is 20 days from now so BHCC broke their own promise, so I asked for a refund like agreed upon.

That wasn't an option as on 4/10/2020 all would be set.
But I kept firm at the refund. So the mails back and forth started to get shorter and less pleasant until I asked to send me at least the document they said they got in that day as confirmation for me. (at this point I was even willing to accept the 4/10/2020 if there was a valid document)

I got this last mail:

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The DMV office I sent my employee today was closed. I will send him again tomorrow and if not again on Monday until I get this registration.

I work with a lot of clients in the Netherlands and other parts of Europe and the one thing they can they tell if that I do not know how to fail. I will get this title as promised.


So it seems there was no document at all! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

So a bit outraged I've send out this last mail after which all mail traffic stopped. (it was 2:30 am here i agues 18:30 LA time)
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Hi XXX,

So you lied to me about having a document in today?
There is no document at all?!

I want this to end. Right now!

Please refund me! I have put up with enough right now.
I do not want to go through with this deal anymore!

So once more please refund me within 5 days on:
XXXX

Thank you!


What I would like to hear from you guys is two things.
  1. What are my rights? When can I cancel a deal, do I need a lawyer?
  2. I know the DMV process is slow, but what are the actual steps a dealer has to go through to get a New York title change into a Cali title?

Please keep from banter on BHCC. I'm already in this process with them so help me to get out this mess with them please.


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911GT2   Finally bought my own 914   Feb 13 2020, 04:16 AM
Spoke   :wttc: Looks like a beautiful car. Good luck wit...   Feb 13 2020, 04:57 AM
Coondog   Bought from Beverly Hills Car Club !!...   Feb 13 2020, 05:23 AM
911GT2   Bought from Beverly Hills Car Club !!...   Feb 13 2020, 06:49 AM
stevegm   Congratulations! I really like the saddle inte...   Feb 13 2020, 06:08 AM
mepstein   :wttc:   Feb 13 2020, 06:57 AM
dax1969   Welcome ! I am located in Belgium and you sho...   Feb 13 2020, 07:20 AM
jrblackbox   Sweet looking teener!   Feb 13 2020, 07:21 AM
911GT2   Thanks for the welcome guys. Yes maybe I made a m...   Feb 13 2020, 07:37 AM
dax1969   Thanks for the welcome guys. Yes maybe I made a ...   Feb 13 2020, 08:23 AM
Big Len   She's a beauty. Best of luck !!   Feb 13 2020, 08:25 AM
Chris H.   As long as it's not rusty you'll be fine. ...   Feb 13 2020, 08:27 AM
Steve   If you have all the pictures, post them here for h...   Feb 13 2020, 09:09 AM
911GT2   If you have all the pictures, post them here for ...   Feb 13 2020, 10:46 AM
Mueller   Congrats, nice looking car.   Feb 13 2020, 09:21 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   What a car! Perfect color perfect wheels and ...   Feb 13 2020, 09:47 AM
kroelofsen   :wttc: Nice color... I have a 1.8 and currently r...   Feb 13 2020, 10:00 AM
Cairo94507   :wttc: Hey don't worry they can all be fixed w...   Feb 13 2020, 10:28 AM
AZBanks   Congratulations and welcome to the madness.   Feb 13 2020, 10:31 AM
76-914   :wttc:   Feb 13 2020, 10:45 AM
Coondog   Lots of rust my friend, good luck.   Feb 13 2020, 11:40 AM
burton73   Lots of rust my friend, good luck. I hate to b...   Mar 6 2020, 01:30 PM
911GT2   [quote name='Coondog' post='2785636' date='Feb 13...   Mar 6 2020, 01:54 PM
dt4   beige / brown interior - nice I imported a car las...   Feb 13 2020, 12:13 PM
DRPHIL914   hey I just wanted to say that this isn't too b...   Feb 13 2020, 12:26 PM
911GT2   hey I just wanted to say that this isn't too ...   Feb 13 2020, 12:38 PM
914forme   I'm going to say enjoy the car. You are going...   Feb 13 2020, 03:16 PM
PanelBilly   Hello from the Pacific Northwest   Feb 13 2020, 05:48 PM
Spoke   Nice Westy. What kind of wheels are on it?   Feb 13 2020, 06:02 PM
914forme   ATS cookie cutters   Feb 13 2020, 06:28 PM
jagalyn   Best wishes with your new car... enjoy.   Feb 14 2020, 02:30 AM
bkrantz   Just keep thinking positive. Anything is repairab...   Feb 14 2020, 09:29 PM
Porschef   Just curious, did you consider asking for a PPI he...   Feb 15 2020, 12:33 PM
911GT2   Just curious, did you consider asking for a PPI h...   Feb 15 2020, 02:34 PM
911GT2   I'm still waiting on the title to be changed. ...   Mar 6 2020, 03:02 AM
Coondog   Someone correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t the...   Mar 6 2020, 03:50 AM
ValcoOscar   Someone correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t th...   Mar 6 2020, 05:55 AM
911GT2   [quote name='Coondog' post='2791799' date='Mar 6 ...   Mar 6 2020, 07:11 AM
mrholland2   In answer to your question about the California DM...   Mar 6 2020, 10:44 AM
Porschef   :popcorn: This should be interesting, maybe not ...   Mar 6 2020, 06:24 AM
Tdskip   Personally I’d not worry about the title transfe...   Mar 6 2020, 06:55 AM
Porschef   Typically a temporary title is issued until the re...   Mar 6 2020, 07:17 AM
911GT2   Typically a temporary title is issued until the r...   Mar 6 2020, 07:42 AM
Tdskip   Typically a temporary title is issued until the r...   Mar 6 2020, 01:13 PM
914forme   :agree: Just keep on them for updates. Also ample...   Mar 6 2020, 08:10 AM
Coondog   So back to my question??? Where is your car at rig...   Mar 6 2020, 09:10 AM
911GT2   So back to my question??? Where is your car at ri...   Mar 6 2020, 09:40 AM
Tdskip   So back to my question??? Where is your car at ri...   Mar 6 2020, 01:18 PM
Root_Werks   Great score on a clean looking 914!   Mar 6 2020, 09:36 AM
ValcoOscar   I have no skin in this game, but I worry too for o...   Mar 6 2020, 01:30 PM
Tdskip   I have no skin in this game, but I worry too for ...   Mar 6 2020, 01:42 PM
ValcoOscar   [quote name='ValcoOscar' post='2791926' date='Mar...   Mar 6 2020, 01:45 PM
Tdskip   [quote name='ValcoOscar' post='2791926' date='Ma...   Mar 6 2020, 01:47 PM
Coondog   [quote name='ValcoOscar' post='2791926' date='Mar...   Mar 6 2020, 04:34 PM
burton73   I am not saying to back out, I am saying see if yo...   Mar 6 2020, 03:23 PM
ValcoOscar   And because you're "NOT THAT GUY" ...   Mar 6 2020, 03:29 PM
911GT2   And because you're "NOT THAT GUY" ...   Mar 6 2020, 03:48 PM
brcacti   The car looks good to me. :wttc:   Mar 6 2020, 04:26 PM
campbellcj   Not trying further scare the OP but buyer beware, ...   Mar 10 2020, 06:43 PM
911GT2   Ok here we go; please read this post carefully and...   Mar 21 2020, 02:31 AM
Tbrown4x4   I cannot add anything helpful, except I'm sorr...   Mar 21 2020, 02:49 AM
jagalyn   OK... This will cost you money. But maybe in the l...   Mar 21 2020, 06:01 AM
Tdskip   While I do not (obviously) endorse want appear to ...   Mar 21 2020, 06:21 AM
911GT2   OK... This will cost you money. But maybe in the ...   Mar 21 2020, 06:29 AM
Tdskip   While I do not (obviously) endorse want appear to...   Mar 21 2020, 07:36 AM
Superhawk996   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Mar 21 2020, 09:19 AM
Larmo63   I get a weird feeling every time I look at anythin...   Mar 21 2020, 01:04 PM
bkrantz   I get a weird feeling every time I look at anythi...   Mar 21 2020, 08:45 PM
mepstein   I get a weird feeling every time I look at anyth...   Mar 21 2020, 08:47 PM
911GT2   Just now I had a long call with BHCC again. They w...   Mar 21 2020, 01:16 PM
Mark Henry   I'm tempted to go for 2. but I think I can...   Mar 22 2020, 09:33 AM
Coondog   Have Tdskip give the 2.0 a head to toe inspection ...   Mar 21 2020, 01:30 PM
911GT2   Have Tdskip give the 2.0 a head to toe inspection...   Mar 21 2020, 01:48 PM
FlacaProductions   I'm in no way as educated in 914's at @Td...   Mar 21 2020, 01:48 PM
FlacaProductions   re: the silver 74 - it was RNM on BaT 11/29/19. ht...   Mar 21 2020, 02:05 PM
911GT2   re: the silver 74 - it was RNM on BaT 11/29/19. h...   Mar 21 2020, 02:22 PM
Mikey914   I’d take the money and run. You know they have ...   Mar 21 2020, 02:35 PM
Spoke   I’d take the money and run. ...but deal with s...   Mar 21 2020, 06:30 PM
FlacaProductions   One other point - don't think we're in a v...   Mar 21 2020, 03:06 PM
mepstein   I imagine as a dealer, they are required to give y...   Mar 21 2020, 04:27 PM
jagalyn   Yep. Start with getting your money back. Then all ...   Mar 21 2020, 05:30 PM
cuddy_k   My two favorite quotes... – Buy the best car yo...   Mar 21 2020, 07:24 PM
mepstein   Good luck with this   Mar 21 2020, 07:24 PM
Bmw635   911GT2, ygm.   Mar 21 2020, 07:39 PM
djway   Get your money back and look for another car, with...   Mar 21 2020, 10:05 PM
Craigers17   ....Let's just jump to the part where you get ...   Mar 22 2020, 02:26 AM
Superhawk996   Gottta laugh when I see these ads that say no rust...   Mar 22 2020, 07:27 AM
Bleyseng   Both cars have that cheap ass EMPI 4 tip exhaust w...   Mar 22 2020, 08:05 AM
911GT2   I know what to do! I love all your support. Th...   Mar 22 2020, 08:33 AM
RenoRoger   I know what to do! I love all your support. T...   Mar 22 2020, 02:11 PM
Coondog   Unless there’s some dealer exception I don’t k...   Mar 22 2020, 08:46 AM
Bmw635   Unless there’s some dealer exception I don’t ...   Mar 22 2020, 09:40 AM
Tdskip   If they’re a LICENSED dealer, they should have...   Mar 22 2020, 05:45 PM
Bmw635   If they’re a LICENSED dealer, they should hav...   Mar 22 2020, 08:27 PM
Tdskip   [quote name='Tdskip' post='2796576' date='Mar 22 ...   Mar 22 2020, 08:30 PM
Coondog   [quote name='Tdskip' post='2796576' date='Mar 22 ...   Mar 22 2020, 08:44 PM
Bmw635   No need for lawyer as CA DMV is pretty good at enf...   Mar 22 2020, 02:48 PM
burton73   I am not happy for you and I do not know what you ...   Mar 22 2020, 07:05 PM
Tdskip   Took a whole 2 minutes to find and validate.   Mar 22 2020, 09:03 PM
Bmw635   CHP office can do VIN verification- drive in and r...   Mar 22 2020, 09:15 PM
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