V6/V8 Conversions & Starters, Something amiss Options

[dbledsoe]

QUOTE (914GT @ Jul 6 2005, 11:55 AM)

If this theory were true, then a 4 cylinder would be worse yet. And that's what most stock 914s have.  I think the bad reputation is due to the GM V6 and poor balancing, in contrast to inline or opposing 6 configurations which are smooth and well balanced.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) with 914GT.

GN Buicks and turbo Buicks seem to make a (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/stromberg.gif) load of horsepower , all based on the same block/crank/piston configuration I'm running (10 second quarter mile runs with a V6 in a so called, midsize car is impressive). They don't explode tranys due to vibration, and they've been on the roads for years cranking out gobs of horsepower. And while I'm sure that RH has their horror stories of some sort, I consider their claims nonsense and pure (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/stromberg.gif) , likely due to a failure to understand odd fire vs. even fire and a lack of understanding of internal and external balance requirements. Besides, they can sell more (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/stromberg.gif) to the V8 junkies, which I have no doubt they are in business to do (can't fault them for that, since that's what they're in the business for i.e., making money).

[dbledsoe]

QUOTE (nine14cats @ Jul 6 2005, 10:28 AM)

Hi Don, Give the repositioning a shot and tell me how that goes.  I'm leaning in that direction rather than putting a "dimple" in my pan. I don't know why most folks are against a V6.  My brother's first car was a Chevy Vega with the notorious blown head gasket on the 4 cylinder motor.  We were able to get a Buick 231 V6 and cleaned it up (home grown porting work, my Grandfather had his own tractor/trailor truck repair shop).   With a 4 speed, the torque in the Vega was great!....I thought the car was a blast to drive.... I do know that Rod Simpson said that the torque pulses out of a V6 actually create more issues for the 901 in the "violence" of the crank throw.  Rod told me that 225 ft/lbs of torque in a V6 was like 300 ft/lbs in a V8.   Maybe someone will chime in with the physics behind it.   Personally, I think the 6 looks pretty fuching bad ass in your engine bay! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) Bill P.

Bill,

I repositioned the starter. There seems to be a choice of stock configuration (as shown in my photo) and a 90 degrees left configuration of that. Rotating the starter 90 degrees left on the starter mounting flange cured my problem. In that configuration there is tons of room when the starter is bolted up. Only concern is tight quarters to get a wrench on the lower starter bolt (a socket would not work). That's no big deal other than I prefer to torque stuff to proper specs but don't have the tools to do so when an open end wrench is the only thing that works.

But hey, it's in there with no dimpling of the trunk underpan. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer3.gif)

A photo tomorrow evening.

Best,

Don

[nine14cats]

Thanks Don!

Keep up the great work....I'm starting on JLO's conversion tomorrow.

I can't wait....

Bill P.

[dbledsoe]

QUOTE (nine14cats @ Jul 7 2005, 08:42 AM)

Thanks Don! Keep up the great work....I'm starting on JLO's conversion tomorrow. I can't wait.... Bill P.

Bill,

I hope you'll keep us posted on the JLO conversion as it goes.

Here's a picture of my starter in place after changing the orientation.

Don

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QUOTE (John2kx @ Jul 6 2005, 04:42 PM)

This is about the worse configuration you can have but still gives about 1/4" clearance with the v8.  The transaxle is dropped 3/4" and moved back 1-1/2" for the 8.  Maybe the 3/4" drop is helping here........but then again, I'm not familar with what is done as far as moving the transaxle in a v6. John

John,

That 3/4" drop would have been sufficient for the starter in the upright configuration to clear. But my V6, and all the V6 Buick conversions I'm aware of, mount the tranny in its original location i.e., no setback and no down set. Changing the starter orientation cured my problem.

[Otmar]

I just got my 101 starter from KEP today, and was worrying that I would have to move coolant pipes on my 915/tdi/Vanagon conversion due to just this reason. Now you've shown me the solution. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)
Thanks guys! You Rock! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rocking nana.gif)

[dbledsoe]

QUOTE (Otmar @ Jul 7 2005, 02:50 PM)

I just got my 101 starter from KEP today, and was worrying that I would have to move coolant pipes on my 915/tdi/Vanagon conversion due to just this reason. Now you've shown me the solution.  :trophy: Thanks guys! You Rock!  :rockin:

Otmar,

Yes, ain't this board great! It's saved me a lot of time and money on both my 914's. Guess I better contribute some dough to show my appreciation but please, Dear Lord, tell me there is another way besides Pay Pal! I don't do Pay Pal anymore, and won't again.

Show us some pics of your Vanagon conversion, I'm especially interested becauses that was one of the first conversions I thought of doing. I've still got another conversion to do on my 76 914.

Don

[Otmar]

QUOTE (dbledsoe @ Jul 7 2005, 06:26 PM)

Show us some pics of your Vanagon conversion, I'm especially interested becauses that was one of the first conversions I thought of doing. I've still got another conversion to do on my 76 914. Don

Hi Don,
The base Stretch site is here:
Stretch
and I'm collecting pictures of the current work here: Tdi
They are big and unedited for now.

Time for me to figure out how to make the front tranny mount before it's too late to (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sawzall-smiley.gif)

[redshift]

LMAO Otmar! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)


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