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> well i convinced some one else to, suburize
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post Jul 6 2005, 02:11 PM
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a newer member with the name of mongol something or other real name evan ordered his 2002 suby 2.5 engine yesturday. the motor is a 60 K mile engine for 1600 complete including the harness, exhaust mainfold, ecu ie everything. he looked locally but they wanted 2800 for everything. the only down fall is the shipping from kali to maryland ran him 285.

basicly he puts 300 to 400 miles a week on his car and wants more power better gas milage than his raby parts 2056.

the funny part is after i gave him a test run and he says his 2056 with about 120 hp feels like a dog. the great part was when i gave his GF a ride she did not but giggle and said he does not need that much hp

we east coast 914ers are taking over (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/assimilate.gif) and i am forming a subculture of suby conversions (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/pray.gif) , with a few seeds thrown around the country ie Tony
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post Jul 6 2005, 02:16 PM
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Scott, I think the Scooby is very cool! I think it's a much cooler conversion than a SBC... I know a lot of guys LOVE their SBC conversion, and they DO make SICK power!! but I just think it's cool that the suby still SOUNDs like a type 4, the 901 is still used, not abused. I especially like the Radiator in the engine bay.. makes things very clean.

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post Jul 6 2005, 02:27 PM
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though i have not seen nor ridden in a v8 or v6 conversion, i have seen and ridden in scotts car. it just makes sense to me and is a very slick install. gobs of power and great gas mileage. scott says he is going to put together a kit here in the near future for this conversion. i may have to start piecing this thing together bit by bit. a little here and there and the wife will never notice!
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post Jul 6 2005, 02:51 PM
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very cool. an extra point for you east-coasters.... and sadly, it looks like we've lost a conversion on the west side. fiid's project is in the classifieds (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)
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post Jul 6 2005, 03:13 PM
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So should a Subaru conversion be called a Sub-version? Scott, I definately consider you to be a Sub-versive element.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)

I just wanted to get this stuff going, it was only a matter of time.

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post Jul 6 2005, 03:22 PM
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Good work Scott!!! More suby conversions means a bigger knowledge base.


I really think this will catch on. How can it not? Cheap, reliable, lots of power, lighter than a stock engine, maintains the boxer engine configuration, parts becoming available from Scott and Renegade... No need to put in high torque axles, or CV joints, or mess with gear ratios in the transmission, lots of aftermarket performance parts, etc. etc. etc.

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post Jul 6 2005, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE (nebreitling @ Jul 6 2005, 12:51 PM)
fiid's project is in the classifieds (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)

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Ah crap. Fiid was on my "Top 3 cool projects" list.

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post Jul 6 2005, 04:52 PM
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does anyone have some pics of a suby conversion? I have been dying to see one. I have seen some sick motors for the sand, and have been curious if it would work in the rust bucket.
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post Jul 6 2005, 04:59 PM
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here ya go, engine bay shot


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post Jul 6 2005, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE (TonyAKAVW @ Jul 6 2005, 01:22 PM)
reliable

How is a new engine with all custom wiring and mounting more reliable then what vw came up with many moons ago? Dont get me wrong, the conversion is sweet, and Ive been in Scott's car, but I just dont see how reliability is a perk of the conversion. Last time I saw a sube, there were LOTS of wires all over the place. A subaru engine may be reliabile in a car with an OBD2 sensor and a chassis thats designed to fit, but all custom parts worry me for reliability.
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post Jul 6 2005, 05:10 PM
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i under stand you opinion matt, but my car is running obd2. as well as it is all stock parts that can go bad. the alt, radiator, all sensors, the throttle, the icv all stock and stock driven but the stock ecu. how many people here would drive there 914 cross country twice. the only things that have gone wrong on my car are stock 914 stuff, like the fuel pump relay and the tranny.

i can get every part on the engine locally from my flaps, or any of the parts yards. go try to find a ecu, mps, decel valve for a 914 locally anywhere in this country
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post Jul 6 2005, 05:20 PM
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I'm not ready to give up on my Type IV, but the subby motor should be just as reliable as anything else one could throw in the car if done right....the key phrase is "done right"

the hard parts for the conversion (such as adapter plate, motor mount) should never give you trouble unless you hacked something together or abused the piss out of the car....

I will agree that the electrical could be a nightmare if done poorly, just look at a stock 914 with some of the DAPO electrical repairs???

now with the addition of a cooling system and the need for water, you do have a few more items that can cause problems down the road (leaking radiator, faulty water pump)...
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post Jul 6 2005, 05:22 PM
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the key thing is to document everything used for the conversion, so when something does need to be replaced (coolant hose), you have the correct part number to ask for, same with knowing excatly what year and model your engine is from so that it'll be easier to get a replacement part
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post Jul 6 2005, 05:23 PM
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my hacked dumb assed current owner wiring looks bad right now but it will only get better
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post Jul 6 2005, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE (scott thacher @ Jul 6 2005, 05:59 PM)
here ya go, engine bay shot

was there much body mod to do or was it all in the engine bay? .......Now honestly how bad was it to pull off?
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post Jul 6 2005, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE (Mueller @ Jul 6 2005, 03:20 PM)
I will agree that the electrical could be a nightmare if done poorly, just look at a stock 914 with some of the DAPO electrical repairs???

Thats probably my biggest concern. If the wiring is not done properly, it would be a mess.. and if something goes wrong, good luck trying to trace it. If there were a plug and play adapter or something, it would be really sweet and I bet this conversion would take off.
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post Jul 6 2005, 05:28 PM
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no body cutting at all, just removed the engine shelf to clean up and give a little more space. i could do it again in 50 hours or so from scratch
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post Jul 6 2005, 05:30 PM
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Reliable is of course what you make of it... But the engine does have a lot to do with it of course. I was thinking of building up a 2056 or a 2270 before I decided to go with the Subaru engine and all the talk of the lifters and cams having issues, heads with cracks etc. got me nervous. 914 engines also require regular valve adjustments, etc. etc. There's nothing wrong with type 4s, or with V8s or whatever. A subaru engine will for the most part last a very long time with little to no maintenence and thats where the reliability issue comes in.

Reliability in a conversion is a function of build quality. If you know what you are doing and do it right, it will be reliable. There are an awful lot of every kind of conversion that have been done poorly and reliability is correspondingly low.

Wiring up a Subaru engine is definitely not a weekend project. There's a LOT to it, and its the single most complex part of the conversion, but it IS doable. I've been working on the wiring design for my conversion for about three weeks (a few hours here and there) and I've still got a long ways to go.

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post Jul 6 2005, 05:31 PM
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If there were a plug and play adapter or something, it would be really sweet and I bet this conversion would take off.


hey scott, another product idea.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)

i saw you ripping through those schematics in the dark like me through a dr seuss book. do it man! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)
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post Jul 6 2005, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE (scott thacher @ Jul 6 2005, 06:28 PM)
no body cutting at all, just removed the engine shelf to clean up and give a little more space. i could do it again in 50 hours or so from scratch

I may have to start looking in the corners of these little salvage and wrecker yards.......I wanted to run one of the ea82 1.8s in the magic bus. It had a 1.8 rabbit 8v in it now so I may just see if there are ANY performance parts for the sube out there......The ea82's were tough as nail but didn't make much HP. Not enough to justify the conversion, anyway
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